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Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

13 March 2009
Curious as to whether you would turn down a potential client who made his/her living doing something that you objected to on moral issues.

For instance: stripper, gigalo, prostitute, drug dealer.

List could include: pay-day loan provider, porn website host, sex-shop/sex-club owner, or please name the most objectionable source of income and tell us whether you did prepare, or refused to prepare the return.


A few years back I had a client in the publishing business. I never knew for sure, but based on my suspicions, I thought they might be a neo-Nazi group. I did prepare the corporate return, but only asked enough questions to get the return correct. I am wondering now whether I should have found out for sure and what I would have done if my suspicions were confirmed.


And YES, I have prepared the returns for various 'exotic dancers'. I never offered to barter services with them, though.


Also for a priest who had a 'full release massage' business on the side. No barter there either. Why do they tell us this stuff? And after they do, do you still shake their hand?

Ddoshan (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
The closest I came many years ago was a young man that came in and asked me to rough out what he would owe in federal taxes on various amounts of income. 40,50,70, thousand etc. After running some numbers for him I asked what this was for and he told me had he been arrested for drug dealing and that he was afraid of getting in trouble with the IRS for not reporting the money. He never did actually come back and file.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
not that this is morally objectionable, but I always did wonder whether to shake the hand of my client who had a colon hydrotherapy business.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
At a seminar luncheon in Philly, a guy at our table objected to the local Mafioso throwing a big party on getting out of jail. "What gets me is that he is writing it off." From the other side of the table, this guy with no neck, a squat head and thick torso, responded, "He's not writing it off?" "How do you know?" "I'm his accountant."

Mr. Pure went into a fit at which the little siege mortar said, 'you oughta go into my Korean massage parlors....you'd better be packing when you walk in there.'

Anyone who emails me can get my story of the drug dealers and little ole me.

Irsfixer (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
I have no problem as long as it is legal. However, even if drug dealing was legal, I would not do a drug dealer's return.

I also will not do a return for someone who is crooked, regardless of their profession.

EZTAX (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
These days I worry more about the moral correctness of doing tax returns for mortgage brokers.

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
I knew a guy who did tax return for strippers. He was pretty funny about it to be honest. He said their money was green like everyone else, he just wanted to make sure that it came from an ATM before he got paid.

Strippers wouldn't bother me, I suppose. Drug dealers, escorts, call girls, gigolos, prostitutes, yes.

I did have a client who was arrested once. It was a big deal it made the evening news. Not that his business was illegal, but they made him out to be Al Capone. The media coverage was pathetic. There are two sides to every story. Eventually, many of the charges were dropped, if not all. It was quite a joke.

Tom

Minitaxi (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
About 20 years ago I was a manager in a small firm that took on a large client group who's owners looked of questionable reputation. After looking at the GL for the corporation I realized the numbers for the income section were actually phone numbers. Then we figured out that they spelled out sexually explicit phrases. It was an early phone sex company.

I then declined to work on that job.

Illini (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
Don't you open yourself up to criminal charges if you prepare a tax return and you KNOW they are breaking the law(s)?

I know the IRS does not care but if you witness or know of a crime and do not report it, doesn't that make you an accomplice?

It would seem like you'd better do the tax return contracted by their lawyer, right?

Wildcat 24 (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
Funny that you mention strippers Tom - I randomly ran into an acquantence last week who was having lunch with a bombshell-he asked me for my card saying he would call me soon. Two days later the friend he was having lunch with called and asked if I had time to do her....taxes. Wanting to find out a bit of info, I asked what she does. "Well I was a mortgage broker but was laid off in early 2008 - now I work at "......" as an entertainer". I took her info and scheduled an appt (figured nothing wrong with getting exposure to different industries - and I'm in my late 20's, why the heck not)-was a little concerned with preparing this type of return.

Met her Tuesday. To my surprise, was more organized than most of my self employed clients, she presented me her P&L and my eyes nearly popped out of their sockets when I saw her assets...err...income. I asked her "is there any other income you earned besides this?" - "no" she said. Finished her return today, called and asked her for "co-worker" referrals. She said no problem, plenty to come.

Completely opposite from my expectations, looking forward to meeting more "entertainers".

Wildcat

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
I learned my lesson with mortage brokers in 1986. Yes, that long ago. This broker was a so-so friend of mine because for a while, his office was on the same floor in my building. Anyway, turns out he was using straw men as purchasers, and an associate of his committed suicide. You can probably tell from my comments here on the board that I have little use for mtg. brokers, and I mark this up to learning early. I don't want to give the idea that "justice" was done to this broker, as far as I know, he's still in business, or what business there's to be had now.

As a lawyer, I've had some really scary appointments over the years, but very few of these types have slipped into being clients. The captured crooks are a real delight compared to the ones who get away.

Quoth Illini: "It would seem like you'd better do the tax return contracted by their lawyer, right?" Illini, I think you have the concept there right, but the timing all wrong. A lawyer can't hire you on behalf of a client to do a fraudulant return (which I'm sure you wouldn't do anyway), and then expect the whole affair to be privileged. The return itself is never privileged. Lawyers do hire accountants on a forensic basis when humpty dumpty falls off the wall, and an attempt is made to put the pieces back together again (and privilege would attach in the latter case, under the right circumstances).

Jimi (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
Google "taxman to the topless san diego". No details but it appears someone has found a niche.

Rgtaxservice (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
A few years back, I used to do bookkeeping for two escort services. I didn't have any objections to what type of business it really might be. Of course, I wife never let me go their place of business to get the paperwork, they had to drop it off at my office.

TheTinCook (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
I'd have no moral problem with it. Might even be a bonus for bringing them out of the underground economy. Have to check my Catachism though. I'm a bad Catholic.

However, there seem to be a couple of ethical caveats though.

1) As Crow said, Client communications aren't privileged. Even if you are an attorney, I don't believe communications relating to preparation of the return are privileged either.

2) You'd have to know enough to find out if you'd run a foul of §280E, and I guess such knowledge could put you in legal jeopardy.

3) It would suck to be involved in white collar crime.


I was talking about a similar issue with my brother who is making a career out of political campaigning. So far he only works for causes and candidates he believes in. I'm a lot more mercenary then he.


Exit question: What PAB code would you use?

Wonder Woman USA (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
There are all sorts of people whose line of work we might find objectionable; my list is probably really different from yours. And when your client comes in and says she works in marketing, how the heck do you really know where her money really comes from.

I've done tax returns for "entertainers;" maybe they were doing more than dancing, but if I don't mind having them in my home office, it's none of my business, so long as I get the numbers right on the tax return.

Wonder Woman USA <one of those loonies in California>

Lizzit (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
I would do a return for jobs that *other* people find objectionable. After all, I am repulsed by sewer cleaning, but I'll do the return for a sewer cleaner... If it is objectionable solely because it is illegal or immoral, and the person engaging in that crime does not promote violence (i.e., some prostitutes, some drug dealers), I would do their return. If there is even the smallest hint that there is violence involved, I that's what I find objectionable and I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Now, that's spoken by the me who lived a wild & crazy life when I was younger, and feels the like a hypocrite if she judges people for engaging in a less-than-savoury lifestyle.

However, if you look at the new Circular 230, TD F 90-22.1, 5471, 3520, etc., penalties and regulations, we preparers will be massively whacked upside the head if we assist our clients in hiding income. Now, you can say all you want that s/he gave you some good P&L statements, but really, do you honestly beleive every cash payment appears on the statement? Given the nature of the client's profession, you are almost guarenteed that they omitted something. And since you *should* have known that they would omit something by the very nature of the illegal activity, then by helping them prepare their tax return, you have helped them omit the income you *knew* was probably there but didn't have actual proof or evidence. And since you aided and abetted, the penalties will put you out of business.

So it's not a morality issue, it's a business continuation issue. If you take on clients who could bring about the downfall of your business, you are not exercising due care and diligence for your clients who do not engage in unsavoury acts and you are putting your family at risk of losing their home and facing public ridicule. It's unwise to take on a client of this type no matter how nice or how organized they seem to be.

Lizzit

Donniecastleman (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2009
I have a boatload of dancers in Vegas with topless shows and I have a couple of porn stars, but I'd never do a return for a strip club or a pornography business per say, hey even people that live in Vegas have their limits!