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Discussion Forum Index --> Basic Tax Questions --> Who makes house calls?
Discussion Forum Index --> Tax Questions --> Who makes house calls?

Mdwtax (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
Just curious how many of you make house calls on your clients.

I bought my practice from someone who was retired from his regular full-time, then finally retired from the tax prep last year. I still have a full-time day job and managing to keep up with 300 individual returns (no business returns in the mix). I've heard from quite a few of the clients that the seller made house calls- picking up taxes one day, returning them a day or two later. Not many complaints about making them come to me this year, but we're guessing that the customer retention from his original base will only be about 75%, where I was hoping for closer to 90%.

I plan to make my self-employment my full-time job in a year or two, but just wondering how many of you physically have time for 2 round trips to each client making house calls, dealing with interruptions, and then getting the work done.

I'm looking for streamlining ideas and trying to keep notes this season for improvements to put in place for next year, immediately after this season is over.

Wwtaxes (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
We do a couple of house calls to long-term clients that have a hard time getting around, but very limited. I can't imagine how your predecessor did it, unless he covered certain areas on certain days, where all appts were close together.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
Very limited also; I see three on the schedule and with all three, I appreciate being where they can dig out information if needed. The returns take some time and I appreciate working without interruption.

For two years I drove to Great Neck NY to do a client's parents. I sat in a too soft armchair, with my laptop on a fold out small table....the last time they finally gave me the dining room table.....and for this, I was supposed to be more reasonable than the man who did their taxes for years and was charging 'an arm and a leg.' The daughter also changed their investment person, but in the second year, they switched back. They were always asking me how much this new person was making them. They were in their late 80s.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
I do some pick up and delivery but NO while you waits at their house. I charge extra for the pickup and delivery.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 7, 2008
I'm out about two days a week. Split personality, so I like getting out to see folks, and you make sure you get paid when you're there in front of them. Many many just mail or email me stuff, but some like the face to face. I have a lot of clients I've never met! and some who I know, well, not intimately, but you know...well, ok?

Mdwtax (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
During the rest of the year, for planning or whatever, I would have no problem taking a detour on the way home from work to go over their situation in their own home. And, I've only really been to about 10 so far this season. A couple of those people, I added the mileage to their invoice because I made no secret of the schedule I had at the time they wanted me to be there and they acted as though coming to me shouldn't be their inconvenience.

Since I didn't know the people ahead of time, it was a shock when I showed up at their door and they were 30-something's with 10-year old kids. They are good customers, but I know they are out running all over the city for their kids' basketball games or whatever. None of the people that I have made house calls on are what I would say were for reasons of limited mobility on their part.

Really wasn't turning this into a gripe session. Just wanted to make sure that I wasn't on the unreasonable end here and need to look harder at my customer service.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
Convert the 30-somethings to them coming to you or by mail (easier said than done but they may not want the stress of making sure the house is clean). Keep the homebounds and charge them a premium. Did the prior guy not have an office and that was why he was doing this?

Mdwtax (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
He had a home office. He's very outgoing and the tax season was his full-time for the last 4-5 years, and he'd been doing most of these people's taxes for nearly 15 years. I think it was something to get him out of the house and stay on the move.

I, on the other hand, stereo-typical accountant, not really an extrovert, and can put on a good client meeting, but relax better when it's just me and the numbers. I'm trying to move more toward electronic communication with a lot of the clients and let them know that the turn-around will be much more efficient if all of my time is not spent travelling on the road.

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
I have one woman who comes to me, but I usually drop off her return (she lives near the freeway entrance ramp). 84 and has less problems getting to my second floor office than I do. I'm going out next friday to meet with clients, one of whom just got out of the hospital and is bedridden at this point, and is having some back CA issues. I usually make them come to me or drop off or mail in. I haven't got time to chase clients. I would never do one at home while they wait.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
He had a home office. That explains it. I wouldn't want all those people coming to my house either.

Tfortaxes@msn.com (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
I make house calls to shut in or retirement homes after April 15. I file the extension and do the return after the madness.

Mdwtax (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
That's a good option. If they want house calls, I should just tell them that those are scheduled after April 15. Simple. Puts it back in their lap, and once they find out that the real market price is about 40% above the fee schedule that I continued for the seller, they'll have a choice to make.

Szptax (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
I do & do it regularly. I have my office in my home & would prefer not to have a parade of clients coming here. Not to mention one of the ones I fired for being erratic I later learned had a drug problem. Glad I got rid of him. When I did it was because he was erratic, disrespectful & a little threatening. I have another client that hires women through some sort of program introducing them back to society. I desperately want an office so I don't have to do house calls. I mail & often meet in cozy coffeehouses too.

Smokeytax (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
A speaker at a tax course recently gave the advice that if you make house calls to clients who are shut-ins and don't charge them extra, then you're in the clear regarding whether your office is handicap accessible.

Szptax (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
interesting - hadn't thought of that. I have a client who is blind I visit & another who was disabled from an aneurism (can't drive), even with an office, I would still go to them. I don't charge extra, but I do charge a missed appointment fee for no-shows!

EKelley737 (talk|edits) said:

7 March 2008
I don't mean to change the thread, but regarding an office in the home; I was also told at a tax seminar that the IRS considers an office a place of business open to the public. Therefore, they have the right to enter your house without a warrant.

Szptax (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
Well - I work there, but I don't maintain it as a public office. There has to be a difference.

Southparkcpa (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
MDW

I would advise to make NO house calls. HR makes none, You just bought the practice, get them trained right , from the beginning. They will respect you or leave. Either is OK. Read TA through and it is full of stories of us who have low end clients that we can't get rid of. You have a great opportunity to get it right from the beginning.

200 returns retained at a GOOD price is better than 300 at a low price.

Good luck in your venture!

Larry0434 (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
The IRS may say that. However, any office is private property not public property and normally requires a warrant.

Hunter07 (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
If the IRS wants to come to your house with or without a warrant, you've got a big problem.

On thread note: i bought a similar practice to yours, mdw, and the running around is crazy. Next year I am going to change that, but right now I am just powering through it.

Barbie (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
I used to practice out of my home in a small town. My local clients always came to me. Two years ago I traded houses with my daughter so her kids could go to a better school system. I am now @ 20 miles away but I still belong to my service club and go to a weekly breakfast meeting and a monthly board meeting in the old town. I told my clients there that if they scheduled appointments ahead of time I would come to them on the days I am in town anyway. Seems to be working well and some come to my new place anyway since it is very close to a freeway exit, easy to find, and close to shopping, restaurants, etc.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
Glad to know there is a market for practices with "outcalls".

Dhtax (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
When I went independent a few years ago (after the company I worked for got bought by HRB) I thought I was going to do lots of kitchen table returns. I set up with a laptop and light printer and did quite a few. But as time has gone on and I'm getting busier I'm trying to stop -- partly because I make fewer mistakes in my own office where the routine is the same every time. But I still make pick-ups and deliveries, mainly because I like to schmooze (gotta get some enjoyment out of this job!) and I like to see my clients' actual living situations at least once, if they're in the area. I'm now doing about 200 returns: 1/3 via mail or email, 1/3 come to me, and 1/3 I visit (including some out of the country who I see on vacation . . . ). Now if I could just raise the average fee . . .

David H

Tilt53 (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
Our practice is almost entirely house calls. We book every 2 hours, starting at 8am - 7 days a week. Many of our clients have dependent returns or other folks with simple returns at their appt. Those who have multiples at the appt. all receive a 10% discount. Several of the clients email or fax or mail their simple returns to the office (in home). We do approx. 700 returns a year. Although my husband has been doing this for 42 years (only 9 for me) this seems to work out well. We don't have snotty-nosed kids running around the office, and folks appreciate the fact that they don't have to drag papers and kids (and selves) out the door in bad weather.

TaxFlake (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
There are a lot of good points posted here that I will take into account as I hope to have an offical office opened next year. My clients are mostly returns that I can process fairly quickly, but I don't do any returns in their homes.

For now I would guess about 20% I pickup and dropoff, 50% where I either pickup or dropoff, 20% in home/office and 10% mail, email, etc. That first 70% translates into about 15 hours out time per week. I can see 3-5 in an hour due to the clusters I have. I schedule about a week in advance and always get new appointments to fit in somewhere. Should have a fully separate office in home set up by next year and anybody new will probably be coming to me........unless I can fit them in on my routes. :)

I like working from my house so I can be around the kids, but I do enjoy the out time too. I'll probably just take it as it comes, keep bumping my rates biannually, and will continue to have a small amount of out time.

One last point, since I work from home, anybody new I will go to. I learn a lot by seeing their home, and I can usually sense whether or not it would be a good idea for them to be "allowed" to come here.

Irsfixer (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
I have never and will never make a house call. I will make office calls to very large clients.

Szptax (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2008
I want to clarify - my house calls are pick up, delivery & meetings NOT return prep at the kitchen table I never do that & never will. Many are for small business people whose office (& necessary documents!) are in their home. I try to do my meetings & running around in the AM & am back at the home office by noon.

Barbie (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2008
I see that I did not clarify that point in my original post, but I also just do p/u & delivery. Next week I will be staying overnight with grandkids at old house allowing daughter to stay with husband at hospital - he is undergoing his 2nd brain surgery in 2 years on Monday. I have already booked appointments for after kids go to school for the days I will be in town. I will then be at home to work until it is time to pick them up after school or playdates. My clients all seem to appreciate my flexibility.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2008
Our thoughts are with your son-in-law