Discussion:Taxability of "Donating" an Egg Cell (Ovum)

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Sgklein (talk|edits) said:

June 2, 2008
I have a client that received a 1099-Misc with income reported in Box 7. She donated and egg cell to a donor bank while she was in college. I originally reported this as Other Income, but she subsequently received a CP2000 stating she owed SE tax on this income.

Is anyone familiar with this? I find it hard to believe that selling an egg cell one time constitutes self-employment. The IRS agent in the SE division said it was subject to SE because she was being paid for services rendered. She went, they got a viable egg cell, she was paid for the egg cell and viola! she is now in the business of selling her eggs.

I can't find any guidance on this...anyone?

Thank you, Steve

Blrgcpa (talk|edits) said:

2 June 2008
Doesn't sound right. You can't make money from donating body parts.

My hair was very long and when I decided to have it short, I donated my hair to a charity that makes wigs for sick children. It's not counted as a deductible donation.

Selling body parts is illegal.

So as you were saying...

Solomon (talk|edits) said:

2 June 2008
Batok. Note the Court relied upon the activity being regular and continuous to be considered subject to SE Tax.

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
No trade or business here since the activity is not regular, continuous, and substantial.

Marcilio (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
Sec. 1402 The term "net earnings from self-employment" means the gross income derived by an individual from any trade or business carried on by such individual, less the deductions allowed by this subtitle which are attributable to such trade or business.

1402(a)(3) there shall be excluded any gain or loss -- 1402(a)(3)(A) which is considered as gain or loss from the sale or exchange of a capital asset,

Publication 550Any property you own is a capital asset, except the following noncapital assets. 1. Property held mainly for sale to customers or property that will physically become a part of the merchandise that is for

  sale to customers.

2. Depreciable property used in your trade or business, even if fully depreciated. 3. Real property used in your trade or business. 4. A copyright, a literary, musical, or artistic composition, a letter or memorandum, or similar property --

  a. Created by your personal efforts,
  b. Prepared or produced for you (in the case of a letter, memorandum, or similar property), or
  c. Acquired under circumstances (for example, by gift) entitling you to the basis of the person who created the property 
     for whom it was prepared or produced. For an exception to this rule, see Capital asset treatment for self-created 
     musical works later.

5. Accounts or notes receivable acquired in the ordinary course of a trade or business for services rendered or from the sale

  of property described in (1).

6. U.S. Government publications that you received from the government for free or for less than the normal sales price, or

  that you acquired under circumstances entitling you to the basis of someone who received the publications for free or for 
  less than the normal sales price.

7. Certain commodities derivative financial instruments held by commodities derivatives dealers. For more information, see

  section 1221 of the Internal Revenue Code.

8. Hedging transactions, but only if the transaction is clearly identified as a hedging transaction before the close of the

  day on which it was acquired, originated, or entered into. For more information, see the definition of hedging transaction 
  earlier, and the discussion of hedging transactions under Commodity Futures, later.

9. Supplies of a type you regularly use or consume in the ordinary course of your trade or business.

Personal use property. Property held for personal use only, rather than for investment, is a capital asset, and you must report a gain from its sale as a capital gain. However, you cannot deduct a loss from selling personal use property.

Since the ovum is not part of the 9 specifically named exceptions to capital assets, it is, by definition, a capital asset.

Sgklein (talk|edits) said:

June 3, 2008
Thank you for all the help! I'll give it a shot and see what happens. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Jdugancpa (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
So the sale of an ovum goes on Sch D, not on 1040 line 21? What is the holding period?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
I know that we had this discussion already, oh ye faithful searchers of the yellow box.

Marcilio (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
Gotta try that yellow box

Marcilio (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
Gotta try that yellow box

Marcilio (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
Gotta try that yellow box

Belle (talk|edits) said:

June 3, 2008
Holding period is approximately 40-45 years....

Marcilio (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
Sorry about the multiple posts..computer lagged & I didn't think posts went through..lol

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
Its not a Sch D. it is SE income per the courts.

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
Can't remember the ruling, but we researched it here at work. It is SE. I've searched the yellow box, but can't come up with any other discussions besides this one.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
Joan, I'll find it, in the meantime Discussion:Noncash Contributions - HAIR DONATION

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
and Discussion:Bone marrow donor

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
and Discussion:Tax on blood donation

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
and Discussion:Fertility Treatment - Donor Eggs

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
one of the discussions in Discussion:Far out and wacky things we hear from clients - funniest tax stories 2008

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
collectively, the previous 5 links give the equivalent to this current discussion.

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
However, we are not talking about the deductibility issue on the recipient end, but the income issue. If you sell eonugh plasma, you get a 1099. At work when the issue came up in a CP2000, we joked about taking depletion on the egg (you only get so many).

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
that is one of those 'Men are from Mars, women are from Venus' things. Men act and speak from a position of abundance. Women, from scarcity.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 June 2008
by the way, don't you love the google ads that pop up on top of these discussions?

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

4 June 2008
Selling blood plasma is actually selling a service. However, a single sale of plasma does not constitute a trade or business.

Marcilio (talk|edits) said:

4 June 2008
This is an interesting topic. I've researched all over the place and I can only find a couple of references. One was a court case in which an individual unsuccessfully argued the income from sale of rare blood was not includible in gross income.

The second relates to the sale of blood by a blood bank to hospitals and commercial laboratories. I've included that below.

If IRS is using these cites to present a case that the activity is self-employment income, it is off base. Since there is such a sparcitiy of rulings, I think this would be a good case to ask for a PLR.

Gross Income: Selling Blood

Payments received for the sale of blood are included in gross income. 157 The income is not compensation for services, nor is it gain from the sale of a capital asset. It is income from the sale of property held for sale to customers in the ordinary course of business. 158

Comment Dennis E. Bires, Associate Professor of Law, University of Tulsa, College of Law, Tulsa, OK notes that: Although the courts have not directly addressed the question of the taxpayer's basis in blood, the fact that the entire receipts from the sale of blood were included in gross income indicates that the taxpayer's basis is zero. 159


157 US v D.R. Garber, CA-5, 79-1 USTC ¶9212, 589 F2d 843, aff'g an unreported District Court decision; M.C. Green v Commr, 74 TC 1229, Dec. 37,229 (1980); Rev. Rul. 78-145, 1978-1 CB 169, modifying Rev. Rul. 66-323, 1966-2 CB 216; J.H. Lary, Jr. v US, DC Ala., 85-1 USTC ¶9306, 608 FSupp 258, aff'd CA-11, 86-1 USTC ¶9376, 787 F2d 1538; IRS Letter Ruling 8814010, December 30, 1987.

158 M.C. Green v Commr, 74 TC 1229, Dec. 37,229 (1980).

159 US v D.R. Garber, CA-5, 79-1 USTC ¶9212, 589 F2d 843, aff'g an unreported District Court decision; M.C. Green v Commr, 74 TC 1229, Dec. 37,229 (1980); US v D.R. Garber, CA-5, 79-2 USTC ¶9709, 607 F2d 92.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 5, 2008
So, how much was this woman paid for her egg? It sounds like it might be worth my time to check it out.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

5 June 2008
We used to throw eggs as kids on Halloween.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

5 June 2008
In the past the selling of blood was usually the domain of those needing another liquid to fortify themselves, which might account for the scarcity of cases.

WPCPA (talk|edits) said:

5 June 2008
This thread is getting bogged down into what came first 'the chicken or the egg'....if eggs are not produced like blood cells -then not 'regular and continuous production' a distinguishing feature - a set number at birth to each female, ergo not SE income.

More like a Cap-Gain to me - if you sold one Kidney is it SE income?