Discussion:Tax consultant for a tax preparation company
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| 2 July 2009 | |
| I am a CPA and work in the transportation industry as an internal auditor. I recently started my own bookkeeping and tax firm and was given an opportunity to work with someone else in creating a Tax Preparation company only. They have no accounting or tax background but thinks he could make a lot of money with this company. As of right now he would have one additional employee who has tax experience to do the basic 1040 returns and anything they can’t handle will escalate to me.
Now, I don’t know this man from Adam but I am optimistic. However, just to be on the safe side I was considering only providing consulting services on an as needed basis, instead incurring this additional overhead with someone I don’t know. I figured if I did this for one year, see how the business progress then I can make a better business decision. My question, I am not aware of such a structure, do you guys think this will/could work, without me losing a lot of my own profits? I was thinking about charging a flat hourly fee for everything I review and do for his clients. | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| Don't sign tax returns, and be careful with your license.
I think it's better if you work as an employee rather than a consultant. As an employee you would fall under his E&O insurance. | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| (which he won't have)
("but the CPA reviewed the returns - he is the one that should be assessed the preparer penalties, not me, I don't even know anything about accounting or taxes")
(you're fooling yourself if you think you're not, CDE) | |
Fort Wayne CPA (talk|edits) said: | 2 July 2009 |
| This sounds like a situation I would entirely avoid were I you...
Mike Sylvester | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| (the first warning is that the 'businessman' doesn't even know what engagements NOT to accept) | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| What is he bringing to table? It sounds like you could do the same or better on your own with you own employee. I have met a lot of people who think they can get rich doing $100 returns. | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| He thinks he can make a lot of money with this company, but he's not experienced in doing tax, and for all we know, he's never been self-employed?
What, are we running a fiction writing contest for the 4th of July? This makes no sense. This will only pan out as described if he's the only tax person around for miles. And if he is, you have to wonder why no one else has had this great idea. It seems far more likely that CDE will be loaning this guy lunch money, rather than worrying about his status as a consultant. But of course, I wish the young feller good luck. | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| Thanks everyone, Kevinh5 I think you brought up a great point. All the preparer penalties would fall upon me if I consult or work under him as an employee. I would have the ultimate authority; he stated that he wanted everything to pretty much go through me.
Another option was to run everything through my practice and I will provide all the services but it would be based on his referrals. He is assuming that he could get a lot of clients through his insurance cliental. I didn’t like that option because he wanted to eat off my profits while doing nothing | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| As far as $100 a return, from my own experience with Jackson Hewitt, that is very cheap. On average the returns I did were $150 or more, some were 1040 EZs for $60, but the majority were itemized deductions or multiple W-2s, with 1099-INTs/DIVs and/or earned income credit with dependents and averaged $150 or more. It would take on average 30 to 40 minutes. With good software a person can easily make $200 or more an hour, IF YOU HAVE THE CLIENTS. At times I was making them $300 an hour. [Client wanted a loan against the refund] A lot of money to be made in the tax prep industry.
In regards to preparer penalties, I personally witnessed a lot of errors being made, even with tax prep software, but never saw much come back on them. Some preparers, for reasons I still don't understand, were allowing earned income credit to folks who didn't qualify. In fact, I was berated verbally for disqualifying several people when they did not qualify for the credit. Go figure. I knew what the law was and I wasn't caving in to the boss's pressure. Next time I came upon such a circumstance, I went and had the boss come out and go through the questions so she could be the one to disqualify them instead of me. After that I didn't get anymore flack. It seems like it's the wild west as far as the IRS is concerned. 95% of errors make it through the system without being caught is the impression I am left with. I worked for a wholesale/retail boot company several years ago. They had been in business for 3 years prior to hiring me. No one was knowledgeable of accounting or Quickbooks until I arrived. I found over a quarter million dollars overstatement of cost of goods sold in the 2 years prior to 2004. Revenue minus COGS resulted in gross losses for both years, 2003 having about a $135,000 Gross Loss!?#@$%! If you have a gross loss of that size on revenues of $250,000, something has either been recorded wrong or you are selling your products for less than you purchase them for. Why the IRS didn't catch this is beyond me. What was happening is that before I was hired they were double expensing every pair of boots sold. When inventory was paid for it was charged to COGS AND when the same inventory was sold it was also charged to COGS. This was never caught by the IRS. Again, getting by with huge errors through incompetence or outright fraud seems to me to be not that hard after seeing the circumstances I just described, both in the tax industry and in private industry. Seemingly, so many outlaws are roaming the prairie that the law isn't of much effect. There just isn't enough enforcement to put the fear of God into people. | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| It is a well-documented fact that several Jackson-Hewitt offices promoted fraudulent returns in the past. I would hope that with preparer licensing (and therefore hopefully some additional accountability for one's actions) and annual CPE required, this would be lessoned. I am still amazed at how many paid preparers don't even sign the return or put their paid preparer info on the return. These are not CPAs or EAs doing this that I have seen, but the vast unwashed masses who set up temporary offices in pawn shops and on kitchen tables. | |
| 2 July 2009 | |
| To have a successful HRB, JH or Liberty type tax practice you don't even have to know how to spell tax. You need a good location. Market heavily and push the RAL upsale. Hire reasonably competent preparers and pay them with more promises than money. Management skills far outweigh tax skills. | |


