Discussion:Starting a CPA firm

From TaxAlmanac, A Free Online Resource for Tax Professionals
Note: You are using this website at your own risk, subject to our Disclaimer and Website Use and Contribution Terms.

From TaxAlmanac

(Difference between revisions)
Jump to: navigation, search
Revision as of 23:18, 1 November 2009
CrowJD (Talk | contribs)

← Previous diff
Revision as of 03:24, 2 November 2009
TexCPA (Talk | contribs)
(''Just being a s)
Next diff →
Line 138: Line 138:
I see CPAs advertising just about everywhere you could think of. Just like lawyers. Check the CPA ads out in the yellow pages will give you some idea.)}} I see CPAs advertising just about everywhere you could think of. Just like lawyers. Check the CPA ads out in the yellow pages will give you some idea.)}}
 +
 +{{ForumReplyPost|UserID=TexCPA|Date=2 November 2009|Text=''Just being a sole pract is a good idea for now. Would you happen to know if that is okay as per the Texas state laws?'' yes it's okay, again look # TSBPA for rules to advertising.
 +
 +[[http://www.tscpa.org]]
 +
 +[[User:TexCPA|TexCPA]] 21:24, 1 November 2009 (CST) }}

Revision as of 03:24, 2 November 2009

Discussion Forum Index --> Business Growth Community --> Starting a CPA firm

Cpa297 (talk|edits) said:

29 October 2009
Hi,

I am a CPA and have been in accounting for 5 years. I passed my CPA exam a year ago and was in public accounting for 2 years. I want to start my own firm. But I'm not sure if I know enough to be able to do this. I like the idea to work for myself and feel that I can venture into this right now since my husband has a stable job. I would like to start with providing bookkeeping, tax planning and tax return preparations for individuals and small businesses.

1) Is it a good idea to jump into one's own practice with few years of experience in public accounting? 2) Can I run my practice from my home office? 3) Do I have to set up an entity (I'm thinking - professional LLC) before I accept any kind of work? 4) Do I need to have professional liability insurance before I start? 5) I have been out of public accounting for a year now. Does anyone know where I can take any courses on current tax rules for

  individuals and small businesses? 

6) How important is it to have a website before I start?

Sorry - my question list got too long. I would appreciate any responses and advice.

Thank you.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 October 2009
you should read all of the discussions in the Business Growth forum.

Then do a search (in the yellow box) on 'CPE' to find our favorite course providers.


Many of us have no website - it is a fallacy that you need one to attract clients.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 October 2009
Good luck. We all started.

FloridaTaxes (talk|edits) said:

29 October 2009
You can run your practice from home, but I think it hinders your ability to grow in some ways. I did it for three years and am glad I rented an office now. Some potential clients will go away when you tell them your office is at home. Also make sure where you live there aren't restrictions that prevent you from doing that. You might want to consider renting an office suite. They're $400 a month or so around here and include all utilities, access to conference rooms and copiers, etc.

Yes, you should get liability insurance. The AICPA has discounts with some companies. Landy Insurance is also well priced.

Do a search for tax CPE courses. There should be some refresher/update courses you can find.

I recommend a website, but it's not absolutely necessary. I did get quite a few clients that googled for an accountant, found my website, and called. There are low cost options you can use to create your own, like Fatcow.com, or you can get a nicer one from CPA Site Solutions, ClientWhys, etc.

Best of luck.

Floridacpa (talk|edits) said:

October 30, 2009
I know in my state you need to register the firm with the Board of Accountancy.

Also, why would you set up an LLC? Do you have a partner? If it is one person you then have a disregarded entity and it goes on the Sch C, or you can elect to file as a Corp. If it is just you, set up a S Corp.

Office: I see a lot of virtual offices out there, you might want to try that just to meet clients. Otherwise depending what city you live in??? you can get a suite from 250-450 per month. Lack of an office will give the perception of lack of professionalism - also it is harder to charge decent fees if you work from home, again appearance.

A website is good because it gives again, a good appearance. Also, it allows you to show your knowledge and give information.

Liability insurance - the insurance will cover you from the date you enroll onwards - before that date, you are not covered. Try the AICPA value plan.

CPE: I really like Accountants Education Group, I dislike Surgent McCoy.

Good luck!

Cpa297 (talk|edits) said:

30 October 2009
Thank you Kevinh5, Floridataxes and Floridacpa. Thank you all for your inputs.

Kevinh5: Thanks for the advice. I will look at all the CPE options.

Floridacpa: I live in Texas and the rent around here would be around that much. You are right - it is just me and S corp would be a better option. A friend wants me to help him with his books right now. Since setting up my practice, filing papers etc will take time - can I accept that work or should I ask him to wait till all this is taken care of?

Floridataxes: Any books that you recommend as a refresher for bookkeeping and taxes (individual and small businesses)?

VanjaCPA (talk|edits) said:

30 October 2009
CPA297 - In Texas you have to register a firm with the Board before you can use the CPA designation. You can still help your friend with his books and taxes, but make sure he fully understands that you do not have a registered CPA firm, I guess you could just say you are his bookkeeper.

FloridaTaxes (talk|edits) said:

30 October 2009
Try Quickfinder. They have books for individual taxation, business taxation, and bookkeeping. If you call them and say you want all of those they will probably offer you a bundle price and save you some money.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

30 October 2009
Cpa 297, make sure to read my advice on weinnie roasts to draw crowds, and also my idea of buying a junk car, having it painted, and giving it away in a new client raffle. This stuff should work even better in a depression, or recovery, depending on who you believe.

Of course, giving out candy to strangers at this time of year is a no brainer, but I mention it anyway.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

30 October 2009
but giving out candy to little boys and girls other times of the year will get you 20 years in prison. word to your mother.

or was it the whole van and trenchcoat thing? I don't remember.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

30 October 2009
of course, that whole Bialystock and Bloom CPA firm thing has been done from prison before.

TexCPA (talk|edits) said:

30 October 2009
Monica,

good luck starting your own practice in this great state, please register your frim, it's only $50/ year, review all the rules and coses @ [TSBPA]. 1) yes 2)yes , but maybe use a PMB for business 3)No 4)No , but could be a good idea, gives your clients someone to sue 5) many resources for CPE classes 6) webstie could get some traffice, along with SWBYP's, however after 10 years I do neither,

Another note, please follow, read, and understand the Peer Review requirements for CPA's in Texas, create engagement letters, set your price and don't sell yourself short. Respond quickly to your clients either by email or phone calls, if you take on an engagement that is more than X, don't hesitate to ask and get a retainer

that's my nickel (wooden)

TexCPA 13:19, 30 October 2009 (CDT)

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

30 October 2009
CPA297.... if this is your first year and you want some taxes to do in 2010, I would recommend that you front load your marketing, don't wait until after Christmas to get your name out there.

Go local. Try the neighborhood newsletters if you can find them. The more local the better.

Some people will disagree with me, but in my opinion, if you wait around to January, you won't have a tax season unless you are extremely lucky.

Don't worry about entity or any of that for now. Just be a sole prac. Your sole concern is clients, clients make all things possible.

One bad small business account early on can ruin thousands of dollars in good fees from individuals that you will miss messing with the business. I am only slightly exaggerating. Call these lessons from a failed tax business experience, for what they're worth.

Floridacpa (talk|edits) said:

October 31, 2009
Front loading marketing - what time of year do you think would be good to start?

How about new homeowner letters - when would be a good date for that?

What about a classified ad in the local newspaper/pennysaver?

A lot of people wait until the last minute to find an accountant and file taxes...

I would like to hear more about front loading.

FloridaTaxes (talk|edits) said:

31 October 2009
I would be interested in hearing more about that as well. The only things I do throughout the year are keep up with my Craig's List ad and send letters to new businesses. This works well for to generate write-up and payroll work all year long. I have also generated a few amended individual returns, past due returns, etc from Google searches people have done. I haven't tried any type of marketing before/after tax season for individuals. I thought about sending letters/postcards to new homeowners throughout the year but I figured if it's not tax season or almost tax season they're going to throw it out or put it away somewhere and forget about it.

I placed an ad in a local newspaper this tax season and it barely paid for itself so I do not see myself trying that again. I have heard the Pennysaver ads work well if you want to attract the RAL/EIC group and you place it very early in January.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

1 November 2009
Now is when I would start. The neighborhood newsletters are the best. A lot of times the local stores will have the neighborhood newsletters out. I don't know if all areas of the country have this or not.

By homeowner letters...I personally had NO luck with any kind of direct mail like that. I used postcards. I think you have to send out a very high volume for that to work, and then the response is supposed to be 1-2%.

If you can find some of these neighborhood newsletters, the rates are low, and you can run a consistent, larger ad. Consistency is extremely important, so therefore cost is extrememly important. (The newsletters also come out monthly and people tend to keep them).

However, it could be that you find these in the older, more established neighborhoods. I'm just not sure.

I think in a smaller community, the newspaper might work. The pennysaver, I've always seen that as something people go to primarily buy-sell things, not services (even though services are advertised).

P.S. You probably won't get any calls now, but you are planting your name in their minds. So, keep at it in the same publications you choose. One shot advertising is worthless. I saw a statistic somewhere that you had to run a print ad 21 times to get your name out (though it doesn't always take 21 times to get a call of course).

Your public library should have some books on marketing services, probably with some more modern ideas than I have. Another side benefit is that the libraries often lay out all the free local papers and newsletters for you to take some. You can learn a lot about the local communities around town by going around to the different branch libraries.

Cpa297 (talk|edits) said:

1 November 2009
Thank you all for your responses.

CrowJD - Just being a sole pract is a good idea for now. Would you happen to know if that is okay as per the Texas state laws? I still have to talk to an attorney here, but I have heard that there are different rules here for professionals starting their practice.

To All: What kind of advertisements are allowed for CPA's - I mean when we advertise in newsletters, newspapers, etc. - what kind of wording is acceptable? Can someone give me an example of how they advertise?

Thanks again.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

1 November 2009
I don't know of any state laws that would prohibit a professional from being a sole proprietor. I'm not a TX lawyer though.

Your state society should be able to give you some rules on the question, and also on advertising.

(Because of a very unfortunate Supreme Court case in the '60s, there are not many rules on professional advertising.

I see CPAs advertising just about everywhere you could think of. Just like lawyers. Check the CPA ads out in the yellow pages will give you some idea.)

TexCPA (talk|edits) said:

2 November 2009
Just being a sole pract is a good idea for now. Would you happen to know if that is okay as per the Texas state laws? yes it's okay, again look # TSBPA for rules to advertising.

[[1]]

TexCPA 21:24, 1 November 2009 (CST)