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Tdoyle (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
I am considering splitting the tax forum into two forums: one for professional tax preparers (with filled out profiles) and one for all other questions.

Question: Are you in favor of this or opposed to it?

Question: What should the two new forums be called? My thoughts are to leave the professional forum as is, named "Tax Questions" and create a new forum with a name something like "Tax Questions by non-professionals" Thoughts?


Thank you!

- Tim Doyle, TaxAlmanac Moderator - Talk to me 14:05, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
YES YES YES

One should be "Professional Tax Community Discussion"

The other should be something like "General Public Tax Discussion and Questions"

Pegoo (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
YUP YUP!! But but but I'm not a EA nor CPA so will I get locked out?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
No, Pegoo, you are part of the community.

Woodstock (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
ABSOLUTELY - And, not that I don't enjoy this forum being so accessible and FREE, but I would PAY to have our tax questions within the tax professional community be only viewable by other tax professionals. THis is one reason I changed my usr name, because of clients being able to see how dumb I can be :)

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Sounds like a great idea. I enjoy exchanging ideas and tax knowledge with other tax professionals. I have no interest in rendering free tax advice to members of the general public.

PJLCPA (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
I vote for split, and I like Kevin's titles. (If I'm doing my own return and have a question, I would ask it at the tax questions not the "non-professionnal")


It would be my impression that if you are a professional preparer, with a filled out profile, you are in the "professional" group.

Tdoyle (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
No, you won't be locked out. The "professional" forum would be for anyone preparing tax returns professionally. I would just add a notice on the page you go to before it lets you post a new discussion that indicates that you should be a professional (but no EA or CPA status required), and that you should have a profile filled out before posting. There wouldn't be any programmatical enforcements, so anyone could post to either forum, but hopefully the questions would go to the right forum. I could also let all of you know how to move the questions from one forum to another.

- Tim Doyle, TaxAlmanac Moderator - Talk to me 14:19, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Woodstock (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Maybe then have the non-professionals, who have not posted a profile, not be able to access our professional profiles, that way it gives us some privacy...

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
I have very mixed feelings about this: read the thread on EKlein's question about workmen's compensation, that from a DIY if I read correctly, and from what I can see, all of us learned something from it that he brought up. Or there are a number of personal reps or executors who I ask and learn something from Dennis or others. Yes, there are a lot of questions that don't merit the time, but I have also seen some from people who claim to prepare returns or 'have clients' that I cannot believe, two in the last 24 hours. I'd like to know who everyone is, but to me some of the reason I come to this place will be gone.

Bigman (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
I am just wondering how and who will verify whoever comes to professonal forum

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Woodstock, I have been told that some people want others to see their profile - maybe to pick up a paying client. I would suggest if you don't want a non-professional to see your info, you post only to the professional forum and not answer the non-professional's questions. They could still click on your profile, but if someone else answered their question they would be satisfied and never hunt you down.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
I'm sitting here trying to decide which way to vote. Then I realized that, starting next week, I probably will have very little time to do anything on the web until after April 15th, so I guess it doesn't matter to me. I can say that I don't like receiving phone calls from non-clients who want free answers to their questions, so I would probably favor the split. Many times, questions from non-professionals here don't have enough facts to be able to answer the questions correctly, and at times, I feel like I'm wasting my time. But I have to admit that, for me, I visit this site more often for the entertainment and education than to answer questions.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Bigman, anyone can put whatever they want in a profile, but someone looking for a fast and free answer is probably not going to go to the effort of pretending to be a professional and filling out a full profile.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
I have to agree with David (Don't I always?). I'm not in complete favor of splitting, and most of the time, I could care less if users fill out their profile. But it was nice to see pictures of JR1 and Kevin added recently. (Bottom Line, I'm waiting for you to upload your pic.) :)

Tdoyle (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
Replies to a few of your concerns:

Death&Taxes: I am working to also provide a "combined" forum as well, so you'll still be able to see the same view that you see now. I'm just going to offer additional views for those that want them.

Bigman: There won't be any verification process, other than what the community does.


- Tim Doyle, TaxAlmanac Moderator - Talk to me 14:36, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Woodstock (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Good point Kev - Yeah, I don't care in the pro arena who sees my profile (which is awesome - just kidding!) but non-pros are another story, and I already am not taking new clients, so I don't need the biz. The only reason I bring the privacy thing up is because a client of mine asked me if I subscribe to Tax Almanac - she saw my previous user name on here and I guess she didn't know how to click on the person's name to see a profile. Although most of my questions I feel are more difficult, I feel like my clients don't need to read about my inadequacies, if you know what I mean.

CATAXES (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
One forum seems fine to me. I don't mind reading the questions from anyone. We chose which questions to answer/discuss, and the question usually gives away the level of expertise. I do prefer to have knowledgeable answers and maybe there is a way to make sure there is a profile for a responder.

Dennis (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Changing your name to hide, Elizabeth? The nice thing about the wicki format is that it is self-correcting. A bad answer is more likely to stick if you split the forums and bad answers become urban legends.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
I send my 'Experts' here to read the various comments. These are clients who have just enough knowledge to make them dangerous, like my South Philly insurance man who has all his real estate holding LLCs as S Corps. I think he is doing returns on his own, for every so often he emails a question about some client. I pity those poor clients. I always wonder if he signs the returns.


I have found that now after I send my sister my daily email in the morning, I am here....it is addictive like the coffee I drink to start the motor. It is entertaining, and I can't believe how much knowledge I've gained not only from posts but research. Some of it is self-knowledge; I have realized that, unlike my cynical and callous exterior, I do suffer fools....maybe not gladly, but I suffer them. Now I find I keep the screen on while working [thanks to PGatto] and steal glances, refreshing the screen, now and then.

Bengoshi (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
D&T, I totally know what you mean. What I gain here is contributing to my knowledge, but at the same time I find myself refreshing the screen every few minutes. I could get a lot more routine stuff done if I weren't addicted to this site!

Woodstock (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Ha ha Dennis - I would never answer a non-pros question - don't have time. Rather chat with you fine folks. The only thing I have to hide is my ignorance when ASKING a question, not answering!

AHH (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
If I may.....

I too am at a crossroads with the question posed. Even though I don't don the fancy letters behind my name as other professionals here, I have many years experience in this field and am a owner/operator of an accounting/tax preparation practice. On most days I feel knowledgable and adequate, however, there are many days when I wonder what in the world I'm doing in this business. Many days when I feel down right stupid. Many days when I simply have a brain block, or brain overload. Many days when I feel so alone in such a huge tax rule world. I am so grateful to all who are a part of this site...those who make it possible in every way. I have tried my best to give as much as I take from this forum. I too am addicted....have considered seeking, or starting, an AA program (Almanacers Anonymous) :) Seriously, I feel much more at ease knowing I have someone to hash things out with. And YES, I have posed "stupid" questions, and will again. I apologize for this and hope the civilness of those here will also continue. I suppose it really doesn't matter to me what changes are made to this forum, as long as I am allowed to continue to be a part of the experience.

Gotta little windy didn't I :)

Deback (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
Well said, AHH! I can relate to everything you said.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Dennis makes an excellent point about urban legends. Sometimes it scares me when I answer a question and later I see I am the only one. Was I right? I felt so good today when Riley confirmed my answer on dividends when there are split states, but perhaps if that question is asked at 'Amateur night' and neither Riley nor I venture over there, but someone replies incorrect, the user may find disappointment later. Part of a 'wiki' is that we check each other, and maybe, just maybe, arrive at either the right answer or a consensus.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
Right on, David. I always feel better when someone else chimes in with the same answer, especially in the gray areas.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Sandy chimes in here :). I have learned so much from you guys...I am a CPA; sat for it in 1991 and believe it or not...I passed!!! But I have learned from a vast array of you....I question myself alot (poor self esteem I suppose) but when I learn something here and apply it as a new "law" in my office, then I feel better. I don't like audits (especially when I am wrong) and even though I will fight tooth and nail for something I believe in, it is not worth the headache.

So....I DO agree that this forum can be sequestered...in my days when I don't want to think of difficult problems, it is nice to go to a forum with "easy questions" most often from laypeople.

Kudos to D&T, JR, Riley, Dennis, Deback, Intltax and so many others for helping me throughout last year and hopefully this year....speaking of...gonna post a new question...I know the answer, but hope someone can make me feel better :)

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Speaking of addicted, after I posted my last I noticed the doggie pushing up the runner to try to get to the crumbs from an old biscuit and I realized it was dinner time for Farfel. Also I had to mix the coating and sauce for the deviled pork chops I am supposed to make for Pam and I. Two more casualties from my addiction; to add insult I began to rush and while the dog's ground beef that whets her appetite was cooking, and I was mixing the sauce for the chops, I calmly poured 1/2 teaspoon of chili powder over her Pedigree Small Morsels and had to throw them out. Now on this coldest day of the year here by the bay, poor Pam will not have a hot dinner waiting. Thanks, Alamnacers :)

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Can I have dinner at your house D&T? Your dog eats better than me!!! hehehe

PJLCPA (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
D&T: You cook ground beef for your dog? Are making deviled pork chops durning tax season? Will you adopt me?????

Dennis (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Cooking meat destroys things like sinovial fluids that are good for dogs. Dogs have impressive digestive systems (Mine has been chewing on a two month old deer head he dragged out of the woods.) Chopped green beans and grated carrots, cooked winter squash -- all good stuff to add. Raw bones good for teeth.

Woodstock (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
I too am forever grateful to you all - I have never had any mentors that I can bounce things off of in the 7-8 years I have been on my own. My old boss (both old and previous)hates me, so asking him anything is out of the question. Anyway, you guys and gals have been the best thing that has happened to me professionally. Okay, I'm tearing up - time to go...  :)

Woodstock (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Ewww, Dennis - old deer head?

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
AWWWW Wood....it is ok, many times I have cried and it is a girl thing or so they tell me. My past employers are decent people...thank God and I can give them clients that are too complicated for me :)

Crying is good for the soul...but can I still have dinner with D&T? hehehe

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Farfel will be 13 in March, has a cancerous bone tumor in her leg and two fractured bones, but she has high spirits and since finding out in early November, I have been feeding her extra. The cancer caused a 4-5 lb weight loss in four months. She may go downhill tomorrow, but what I see is much more interest in the world about her and the ability to put a little more weight on her leg. Her other favorites are liverwurst and Steak-ums, a regional food. I have added greens at times, and she forages out front nibbling....


I cook Wednesday-Friday when she works; I make a wicked Pasta Carbonara. Next week I plan curried beef and chicken caccciatore.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
Can I join you, too? I hate to cook, and that is my major problem during tax season...usually am too tired to cook when I go upstairs every night, so I live on bologna sandwiches and potato chips every day. Yea, I know...that's bad.

AHH (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Ok..since this thread has changed tunes.....I live on Mt. Dew and Goody Powders ! Yum Yum.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
But we keep our girlish figures, no? I live on Tuna Salad...unless my bf cooks...but he is pissed at me right now as he owes taxes...go figure!!

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Is he a construction worker, Sandy?  :) hehehehe


In this office the kitchen is ten feet from my desk.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
OMG D&T...how did you guess? hehehehehee

My kitchen is about 10 miles from my office....I don't even like going home to tell the truth...chicken of the sea!! hehe

Green hunter (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
I think that you should make this an exclusive Forum and only allow those who are tax experts so we can share our knowledge only with each other. Everyone else who is not an expert and cannot gain access to this Forum for help or assistance instead thay should be sent to the IRS website.

Just curious Doyle so if we have two forums than who will actually respond to those who really need the help-the non professionals?

Taxfun (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
One forum for all is okay by me. As some others have written, we all may be too busy soon to respond.

Woodstock (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
It takes me three months to lose 10 pounds during tax season - I call it my tax season diet. It takes me nine months to gain it back. It's a vicious cycle. Maybe we should have a separate forum for our non-serious posting...ha ha

Corptaxhelp (talk|edits) said:

January 26, 2007
I'm voting against the split.

Without enforcement, folks are going to post wherever they want. Those of who are addicted ('hello, my name is CorpTax H. and I'm an TaxAlmaholic') are going to read both groups anyway. No matter what the question in whichever grouping, we're still going to check for a profile before responding to a unfamiliar name. I don't see any benefit from the split.

I would be strongly in favor of requiring a profile before being able to add to a discussion.

I also would be in favor of a five-day waiting period.

In short, you'd have to create an account then would have to wait five days (or three or whatever) to post. I'm fairly sure some versions of wiki support that sort of thing natively. There would be several advantages to this for TaxAlmanac.

Nothing frustrates me more than hit-n-runs. These are people who post a question, get answers or more questions as precursors to an answer and never pop back up again. I am convinced that 73.8% of those people never even check for an answer. They come across TaxAlmanac, post a question and then lose interest or get distracted while waiting the 20 minutes (or less) it takes to get an viable answer. These sort of people are worse than those who are simply unthankful because the hit-n-runs don't even come back to see if there was an answer. Grrrr...

The waiting period would greatly discourage hit-n-runs. The waiting period would also allow new members to get a feel for the room before crashing the party. It doesn't take long to learn who knows what they are talking about, who is helpful and who isn't. This is simple party etiquette.

Finally, the waiting period would cut down on the frequently asked questions. During the five days (or however long) the new user is reading but waiting to post, there is a good chance their question will be answered.

Anyway, that's my two cents (before taxes).

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
My idea, which I expressed elsewhere, is a two-screen "Tax Question" process, where the person doing the query would choose a description and, perhaps give bio information. They would not be able to access the next screen without checking CPA, EA, DIY, etc, with one box for people who dabble in taxes, for many of our questions come from there. Once that was filled in, it would always be filled in, or perhaps we would enter our password again to get the question page.

AHH (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2007
Been thinking(obviously not eating), and wonder if this would help.....when someone wants to "join", setup a username and password, they would be required to fill out their profile and then, and only then, an email would be sent to them to activate the account before they can begin posting.

Sw (talk|edits) said:

January 27, 2007
I am very glad I found this site. Since I now work alone I missed having someone that you could ask a question and get their opinion. Sometimes after many long days you just need someone to confirm that your on the right track. I appreciate everyone that has taken the time to answer my questions even the dumb ones.

Rgtaxservice (talk|edits) said:

27 January 2007
For what it's worth, I'd like to see it stay as one forum. Since posters can post wherever they chose, it defeats the purpose of a pros only forum. I do believe the bios should be completed...only by pros. The default should be written to state that the user is a DYI or whatever. Let the pros fill in their bios if they like, don't make the DYIs jump thru hoops.

Besides, it's the content of the posts and not the bio let me know who the real pros are.

On a lighter note - the food discussion. I used the live on Pepsi, cigarettes, and late night snacks during prior tax seasons. Well, I quit smoking in May and I just found out I'm a diabetic yesterday (no more Pepsi and snacks). This should make for one very GRUFF tax preparer.

Mikelim (talk|edits) said:

27 January 2007
I'd vote for splitting it. Most of the questions that I ask/post are ones that would not be of interest to the average taxpayer. I'm usually throwing it out there to see what other CPA's and tax professionals have to say about it.

I value the service greatly...I do my own tax research via RIA, and while the research is great, it is often just as beneficial to see what other professionals have done in real life experience.

I've had a number of great questions answered here - thanks to incredibly knowledgeable folks like JR1, SandySea, and others.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

January 27, 2007
Woodstock - I do the same thing during tax season (lose weight and then gain it back the rest of the year).

>>Maybe we should have a separate forum for our non-serious posting...

Anytime you want to talk exclusively about non-tax stuff, you can go to the General Chat forum.

Uncle Sam (talk|edits) said:

27 January 2007
I'm all for this idea also.

I've said from the beginning when I came to this board - there should be a separate forum for tax pros (regardless of credential) vs non tax pro. And yes, to be considered a tax pro - you must be registered-disclosing who you are, address, phone/fax,e-mail, INCLUDING ME. Reason I never did it, was because it wasn't a requirement to post here. Now that it will be, I've got no objections. So long as we all must register - then can't we use our actual names instead of pseudo names?

This board could also be useful in another way - aside from the questions and answers forums, it could also be a useful referral-if a client moves and doesn't feel comfortable using you from a distance - you could refer to someone from this board.

Johnny (talk|edits) said:

27 January 2007
I agree with Mikelim.

JCCPA (talk|edits) said:

27 January 2007
I am all for it. I would even pay an annual fee for a professionals membership...and I think it would encourage a more collaborative exchange of ideas among professionals.