Discussion:Section 732 basis adjustment

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-During the Code Section 708(b)(1)(B) technical termination, the partnership is deemed to contribute all its assets and liabilities to the new partnership in exchange for an interest in the new partnership. The partnership then liquidates by distributing the interest in the new partnership to the purchaser and, if applicable, the other partners. The new partnership either continues the business.+During the Code Section 708(b)(1)(B) technical termination, the partnership is deemed to contribute all its assets and liabilities to the new partnership in exchange for an interest in the new partnership. The partnership then liquidates by distributing the interest in the new partnership to the purchaser and, if applicable, the other partners. The new partnership continues the business.
Thus, for a Code Section 708(b)(1)(B) termination, there is no liquidating distribution of the partnership assets. Thus, for a Code Section 708(b)(1)(B) termination, there is no liquidating distribution of the partnership assets.

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Hammercpa (talk|edits) said:

3 November 2009
Hello, I hoping for a comment on this situation. I believe my understanding is correct. Thanks is advance.

My client just notified me that the three members of his LLC (93% owner, 2% owner, 5% owner)are all selling their interest to four other individuals. There is no section 754 election in effect with this entity. If I am reading the technical termination rules correctly there will be a deemed liquidating distribution to the purchasing members(from old LLC) followed immediately by deemed contribution of same property to the "new" LLC.

Section 732 states that the partners basis in assets received in a liquidating distribution will equal the partners adjusted basis in his partnerhip interest. Assuming the FMV(which new partners are paying) is greater than tax basis, won't the partners receive a step-up in basis (= to partnership interest) for these assets (at time of liquidation) and then simultaneously transfer the assets with the new step-up basis to the partnership? So the partnership will have the new step-up basis on its books as opposed to the 754 election which doesn't adjust the partnerships books.

If I am correct with what I wrote above,doesn't this seem like the most sensible way to go about it since there are going to be four new owners and none of the prior owners will be with the "new" LLC?

KathiJud (talk|edits) said:

3 November 2009
The "old" LLC closes its books on the last day of ownership. On the first day of the "new" LLC, the books open with asset values that reflect what the new owners paid for them. Basis step up or down to actual purchase cost. A 754 election is not involved - that is a method that applies to adjusting asset values for an ongoing entity that has not had a factual termination.

KathiJud (talk|edits) said:

3 November 2009
Since you are taxed as a partnership, your LLC members selling their interests are treated as selling their share of each of the entity's assets at its FMV which should be the agreed purchase price. 1245 and 1250 recapture applies, as well as unrecaptured 1250 gain.

Hammercpa (talk|edits) said:

3 November 2009
Thank you, I was reading elsewhere that one should make the section 754 election on the final return of the old LLC but I didn't see how that applied to this situation since the assets will be coming into the new LLC at the step up value.

MWPXYZ (talk|edits) said:

3 November 2009
You might read a summary regarding technical terminations by FTF65 on TA some time ago. If the new owners are buying LLC interest, I do not believe the assets themselves recieve a step up in basis but that the new partners' basis in those assets receive a step up in basis. This could make a difference if one of the new partners were to leave before the others. I think the old LLC should make the Section 754 election as noted by Riley2 in that discussion that started in August 2007 and continued into 2008.

MWPXYZ (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
This was the title:

Discussion:Partnership - Technical Termination

KathiJud (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
So your opinion is a 754 election applies when 100% of a partnership is sold and the totally new owners contribute assets to a new partnership? (I am disregarding the separate issue of the LLC since for federal purposes it is simply a partnership.)

MWPXYZ (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
I believe it is Roy that would say, there is not enough information to have an opinion. But it does seem that this is (and should be?) a sale of LLC interests. So it seems that a technical termination would result since the LLC is not legally terminated. And if so then it seems Section 708 would apply.

Reg 1.708-1(b)(4)states:

If a partnership is terminated by a sale or exchange of an interest, the following is deemed to occur: The partnership contributes all of its assets and liabilities to a new partnership in exchange for an interest in the new partnership; and, immediately thereafter, the terminated partnership distributes interests in the new partnership to the purchasing partner and the other remaining partners in proportion to their respective interests in the terminated partnership in liquidation of the terminated partnership, either for the continuation of the business by the new partnership or for its dissolution and winding up. In the latter case, the new partnership terminates in accordance with (b)(1) of this section . . . 

So I am not sure that the new owners are contributing assets to a new partnership.

Of course related parties, the types of entities involved as members, Section 751 assets, the actual character of the transaction, Massachusetts (if applicable) law on LLC terminations, and the history of the old LLC would affect a conclusion.

So, for now, I suggest reading the above thread, in addition to learning all one can on partnership law. Especially commentary since some regs have been superceded by new law. And some sections trump other sections.

In the few sales of equity interests I have been involved in it has been a major chore to get clients and attorneys to use precise terminology (in their dealings and in the paperwork) so that conclusions regarding the tax effects can be made. Toss in the complexity of partnership tax law and nailing down the tax effects can be difficult. Toss in the fact that written agreements are often not followed and it is difficult to treat future operations correctly. And if Hammer is dealing with the local eggheads he is on the adventure of a lifetime.

Hammercpa (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
Thank you for responding...I did read your link, thank you. The part I am questioning doesn't seem to be discussed in that discussion nor in some of the other research that I was doing. My situation might be unique because none of the existing partners will be an owner of the "new" entity. It seems like section 732(b) does apply to technical terminations since a liquidating distribution is deemed to occur.

Sec. 732. Basis of distributed property other than money

(b) Distributions in liquidation

     The basis of property (other than money) distributed by a
   partnership to a partner in liquidation of the partner's interest
   shall be an amount equal to the adjusted basis of such partner's
   interest in the partnership reduced by any money distributed in the
   same transaction.

I am trying to determine the adjusted basis of the property after liquidation to the partners (not the partners basis ) It seems the basis of the property itself, according to section 732(b), is adjusted upward or downward to "equal the adjusted basis of such partner's interest in the partnership". Since there is a deemed liquidating distribution as of the date of the sale, the new partners interest in the partnership would be the purchase price of buying out an existing partners interest (no prior 754 election exists)

The basis of the property is then adjusted, and finally a contribution of this property is transferred to the new partnership with the substituted basis of the property. At least this is how I am reading it. Since none of the prior partners will be in the new partnership I don't see how a section 754 election would be helpful. Do you agree? Disagree?

Thanks again for any thoughts.

RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
Did you purchase the book from UI as I suggested? If not try this.

http://www.bizzer.com/Pship/Outline/lect7b.htm

also see the part about partnership terminations.

Hammercpa (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
If you mean the LLCs Taxed as Partnerships book, yes I purchased it about a year ago. Thanks for suggesting it, it has been a helpful guide. I was just looking for confimation that, in this technical termination, the deemed contribution back to the new LLC would carry the substituted basis of the assets distributed after applying section 732.

I don't find that in the reference books, however it does seem to me that is the way it should be treated since a liquidating distribution is deemed to occur. All the reference books and tax almanac posts seems to point to a 754 election, but in my situation, the new LLC will have all new owners.

Thanks.

RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
"Although the general rules state that no adjustment is to be made to the partnership's basis in its property, an exception to the "no adjustment' rule is provided under Section 734(b) and 743(b), which require a Section 754 election to be in effect. If the election is in effect, the partner or the partnership, depending upon the circumstances, will be able to equalize "inside" and "outside" basis." Bizzer

KathiJud (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
I can't get past the fact that the LLC existance is disregarded for federal purposes and you simply have one partnership totally ending and a 100% brand new partnership starting up. This is not a technical termination where one or more original partners continue on. This is a factual termination of the original partnership. The 754 election was put in place for a technical termination when one or more partners do not leave and are required to use their original tax basis in assets. The purpose of 754 was so that new partners coming in would be allowed to adjust their tax basis to reflect their purchase price. That simply does not apply to the facts of the OP where 100% of original partners are gone.

RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said:

4 November 2009
Is this the correct events for your facts?

During the Code Section 708(b)(1)(B) technical termination, the partnership is deemed to contribute all its assets and liabilities to the new partnership in exchange for an interest in the new partnership. The partnership then liquidates by distributing the interest in the new partnership to the purchaser and, if applicable, the other partners. The new partnership continues the business.

Thus, for a Code Section 708(b)(1)(B) termination, there is no liquidating distribution of the partnership assets.

The distribution of interests in the new partnership by the terminating partnership is not a sale or exchange of interest in the new partnership. Reg. Section 1.761-1(e).