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Loophole (talk|edits) said:

11 June 2009
I have a client outgrowing QuickBooks - the company file size is close to 200MB, the program is slowing and crashes more frequently. We are considering the upgrade to QuickBooks Enterprise ($3,000 cost), but I have not found an online review of it. Would those of you using it care to comment on your opinions of Enterprise? Is it quicker in multi-use mode, was the transition smooth, same interface, better features, etc?

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

June 11, 2009
I'm in it right now at a client's office. The transition was silky smooth, you get some really sharp support folks at Intuit dedicated to this. It's super fast, we've got 4-5 users on it at any one time, and you wouldn't know that you weren't in QB, exact same interface and all. You do have a free copy if you're a ProAdvisor to play with and work with.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

11 June 2009
Hi Loopy,

You could do the quick and dirty way and just purge past history out of QB's, but that again is a temporary fix.

Being affiliated with Sage Reseller, I am partial to the MAS 90/200 system once a client outgrows QB's. There are many pro's and con's to accounting software upgrades. Being that many accountants are set in their ways and they don't like understanding new systems, they will most likely tell you to stay within the QB's family because that is what they know and it makes it easier for them/us. This type of attitude is not always helpful to our clients as it should be there needs we address and not ours.

With that being said, there are many many good off the shelf programs out there that would fit your clients needs. If you really want to do whats best for your client you would contact some resellers and they will come in and conduct a needs analysis. This will determine what your clients true needs are in relation to their accounting system. You didn't mention whether they were a manufacturer where job cost is a need, a sales based company that drop ships or holds inventory.

Does your client use spreadsheets to track a lot of things outside the accounting system, this is another notifier that a new system should be looked at.

There are many many things to consider and there are alternatives to QB's in that price range. If your client is growing, then you definitely want a program that will grow with your clients needs.

Accounting software becomes an afterthought, when it shouldn't be. Clients think nothing about buying a new car through the business every two years, but spending a few bucks on a program that can be proven to increase productivity and in some cases help generate additional sales, they don't always go that route.

Sage MAS 90 or another similar product is what I would highly recommend. If you need more info, ask more questions.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 11, 2009
Good points Fred. I do like QBs Enterprise. Upgrading the file is simple -- the process is very similar as going from one year to the next. The one caveat I have is if you are using the accountant's version for fixed asset management, that can be tricky to upgrade. I have one client whose Enterprise file is huge. (I'm sure it's well over 200MB.) They have no problems with it.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

June 12, 2009
Do you use the Fixed Asset Manager? When it came out, I decided then and there to never screw with it ever again. I keep my Deprec. schedules in XL with nary a problem, and just make sure the tax return schedules match. I can't imagine being that efficient with it in QB.

But yes, Fred reminds of the days when we'd actually sit down and analyze the situation prior to picking software! How comical that seems today...sadly. Intuit took over, and in some respects it's made it easier to just support one thing. But there's a lot of fallout with folks who have no business keeping books, now trying to keep books. But it keeps us in business. So I suppose a thank you goes out either way.

But if I'm in biz, and using QB already in my biz with my employees, to move to Enterprise with NO training time for them or me...that's worth a bundle right there. The greatest limitation is finding vertical software to interface, perhaps, but even that is getting to be a lead cinch with the number of installs.

Sorry Fred. Not that yours isn't better...just that not too many folks will ever know. That's a shame.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 12, 2009
Yes, I do use the fixed asset manager, but only for book depreciation. It has several nice features, like carrying warranty information and serial numbers. I also use Excel when there are only a handful of assets to track.

One of my clients that uses Enterprise now actually took the time to review a couple of software packages before making a decision. The training time alone on one package would have cost more than Enterprise. For a lot of companies it just makes sense because it's so easy to use.

As far as Mas 90 goes, Fred, did they ever expand the JE description area? That was my biggest peeve about that package. I always had a hard time abbreviating the reason for the JE.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

12 June 2009
JR, What you say is very true, that all goes into the analysis. Depending on the size of your company and what you need the system to do, it may be easier to just upgrade. There is always training time involved, but the way I look at it, if you have accountants working for you and you have people who know their jobs, such as AP or AR, then it shouldn't be that great an issue. I don't care what package you put in front of me, the accounting cycle is the accounting cycle. The question becomes what buttons do i need to hit to get that invoice entered. And, on the plus side, when an accounting package forces you to follow the accounting cycle, that benefits everyone resulting in fewer mistakes.

The question becomes does the software you use give you everything you need to help you run your business? Does it offer the security and peace of mind to the owner and assure that transactions cannot be changed.

Does it offer true multi-user functionality. From what I understand in certain circumstances if you want to import, let's say a payroll file into Enterprise, then all users must exit and you need to go back to single user mode. If these things don't create issues, that's great. If down time means loss of productivity, that could be an issue. If you have salespeople accessing inventory in real time and you have to shut down, that's an issue.

My point is that in business, when you take the time to plan for your future, you can achieve so much more than by just going with the flow. In life, the easy road isn't always the right choice. Same for businesses.

By doing a proper needs analysis, you can usually show the cost savings generated through an implementation of a new system. Like I said, no one likes change, but sometimes change is what should be done. From my standpoint, I won't make a sale just to make a sale, sometimes QB's works fine for the client. One should never oversell.

Natalie, the migration towards Version 4.xx has been great, the user friendliness has been greatly improved and the JE issue limitation was one of the first things they fixed.

Please keep in mind that I don't want to shill for MAS90. Great Plains is also out there as well as a host of other applications. One should definitely do their due diligence and sit with a few vendors to see what is the best fit for your company.

Jerrykern (talk|edits) said:

12 June 2009
Fsteincpa, have you had any experience with Intacct? We outgrew QB a long time ago, but haven't allocated the dollars for a switch. Since we are SaaS, management is very interested in implementing a SaaS solution for internal needs as well, and my preliminary analysis seems to indicate that Intacct has a good product.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

12 June 2009
Jerry,

I have personally not had experience with Intacct but have just sent an email to the guy I do the software work with to see what his opinion is. I will let you know after he answers me.

So, let me get this straight, the product your company sells is a SaaS product and so, since that is what you promote, you feel you should have a SaaS in house solution as well. Makes sense and I imagine most products are going to migrate to that eventually anyhow.

Jerrykern (talk|edits) said:

12 June 2009
Our product is nonaccounting SaaS, and we like to practice what we preach. The only two options we're looking at are Intacct and Netsuite. Thanks for the help!