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{{ForumNewPost|UserID=IRS4LIFE|Date=30 March 2009|Text=Person A has a nice IRA and is a retiree. A is approached by Person P, a Ponzi scammer. P tells A that she can rollover her IRA with P's trust company, and good things will happen. No indication as to what this constitutes. A then rolls over her entire IRA into P's trust company. The scheme runs out of steam and things fall apart. G men put P in jail. G men also come after the A's of the world claiming the rollover...wasn't. It's includible in income for the year it was rolled over. Doesn't matter if there's a theft loss involved because they're low income retirees. Do they have a lifeline?}} {{ForumNewPost|UserID=IRS4LIFE|Date=30 March 2009|Text=Person A has a nice IRA and is a retiree. A is approached by Person P, a Ponzi scammer. P tells A that she can rollover her IRA with P's trust company, and good things will happen. No indication as to what this constitutes. A then rolls over her entire IRA into P's trust company. The scheme runs out of steam and things fall apart. G men put P in jail. G men also come after the A's of the world claiming the rollover...wasn't. It's includible in income for the year it was rolled over. Doesn't matter if there's a theft loss involved because they're low income retirees. Do they have a lifeline?}}
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 +You don't say why the rollover was not valid? But if not valid rollover for whatever reason...then A should have a theft loss under IRC 165? Perhaps you can carry the loss back....good luck.}}

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IRS4LIFE (talk|edits) said:

30 March 2009
Person A has a nice IRA and is a retiree. A is approached by Person P, a Ponzi scammer. P tells A that she can rollover her IRA with P's trust company, and good things will happen. No indication as to what this constitutes. A then rolls over her entire IRA into P's trust company. The scheme runs out of steam and things fall apart. G men put P in jail. G men also come after the A's of the world claiming the rollover...wasn't. It's includible in income for the year it was rolled over. Doesn't matter if there's a theft loss involved because they're low income retirees. Do they have a lifeline?

Mtmckeecpa (talk|edits) said:

30 March 2009
IRS4,

You don't say why the rollover was not valid? But if not valid rollover for whatever reason...then A should have a theft loss under IRC 165? Perhaps you can carry the loss back....good luck.