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JordanCPA (talk|edits) said:

13 October 2009
I have a leased car which is 2 years old which I have been writing off. The lease is going up and I am thinking of buying the car. How does one determine which is better to lease again or buy .

I do not put a lot of mileage on the car. Is the first year depreciation the same for a car I leased and now I am going to depreciate?

Blrgcpa (talk|edits) said:

13 October 2009
How can you write off something that you don't own?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

13 October 2009
oh my, BlrgCPA, is that what you tell your clients who rent business equipment and office space?

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
OK, Jordan. Seriously, this is what your clients ask...and you don't have an answer?

Short answer tho'...the bottom line is that over time, the write offs for leasing or buying are identical unless you're an employee where you can't write off interest on a loan. Now, leasing generally gets you quicker write offs unless there's some bonus deal in play from IRS. And if you like more expensive cars, you definitely get better write offs with a lease much much faster since the lease tables are a joke and don't come even close to balancing the luxury auto rules between lease and buy.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 October 2009
of course, it would be good to have business use. Unless you travel from client to client it would be hard to see where you would get enough business use percentage in a traditional tax/accounting practice, though. Most of us use the standard mileage rate for taking deposits to the bank and picking up supplies at Office Depot.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
Well, many of us work from home, so leaving IS biz...I wonder what the percentage is that have an office away?

KathiJud (talk|edits) said:

14 October 2009
over time, the write offs for leasing or buying are identical

Not totally true due to the income inclusion adjustment you must calculate on the lease; this is a permanent difference in your out of pocket costs that become tax deductions. It is not a consequential difference in my view.

Leasing has the advantage of matching deductions with cash flow (execept for the above statement), and benefits those who want the more expensive vehicles plus tend to only use for two or three years. Leases keep you from absorbing all the hit to a vehicle's value that occur in the earliest years of ownership. Remember the old saying that a new car depreciates in value as soon as you drive it off the lot. In the end, your client must understand a lease is simply a rental agreement and you get no ownership in it.

If your client tends to put high mileage on vehicles, or prefers more economically priced vehicles and intends to keep one for several years they are better off to purchase it outright. High mileage comes with penalties on leases.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
Nearly identical. Fair point.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
And it should be noted that the internal interest rate used in computing the lease is generally higher than a loan as well. Cash buy is still cheapest.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
JR1 - you should start one of those 'polls' (like we did once for number of audits) concerning who among us work out of the home vs a "real" office.

I'm also curious how many of us buy vs lease our vehicles.

I read an article (years ago) that compared lease vs buy on vehicles, both personal and business vehicles. The end result was that buying the vehicle, for cash, and driving it for many years while maintaining it properly is the least costly way to go.

Of course, that is NOT the American way (especially here in California).  :-)

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

14 October 2009
Belle, there's so many of them that lease because they like the feel of coming down the road in a luxury liner. I take the position that since all the cars look like little tin cans coming down the road nowdays, what's the use? If Ford would bring back the Falcon (and I mean the real one), we'd be in good shape.

As for myself, I have enough gang members as clients, that if I need to run to the drugstore for something, they can usually find me a new automobile so I can get there in style (I do all my shopping at Walgreens, including Christmas gifts for my girlfriends).

Belle (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
Crow - you need to meet my husband. He thinks the same way.

Unfortunately, I really like sports cars. I don't need the luxury liner, but a clutch and lots of horsepower - plus handling - makes me happy. And as I'm in a mountainous, rural area - fun roads are close by. Too bad those tickets (for my business vehicle) aren't deductible.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
Well, hold on there girl. You have those magnetic signs on your doors, right? And you give your card to the officer? I'd call it marketing expenses.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
I do like the way you think. But those signs blow off too easily.

BTW, what are you hunting tomorrow?

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

October 14, 2009
Deer. In the nort woods...rainy and cold, yech. Outta here in a couple hours...