Discussion:IRS audit of Schedule C Expenses

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{{ForumReplyPost|UserID=KCGuy|Date=10 July 2009|Text=I am sure that the taxable income will not change much but what are few of the initial steps that I need to do to get going with the IRS agent..I have faxed him the 2848 and he will be calling me to talk about the returns...I am not the preparer, I am just representing him as his accountant has abandoned him and he needs help..he has serious issues with the return..should I offer to the agent to amend the return or just tell him straight that return numbers are understated but the taxable income might not be off..I need to time to analyze that and get some additional time from him..suggestions welcome..}} {{ForumReplyPost|UserID=KCGuy|Date=10 July 2009|Text=I am sure that the taxable income will not change much but what are few of the initial steps that I need to do to get going with the IRS agent..I have faxed him the 2848 and he will be calling me to talk about the returns...I am not the preparer, I am just representing him as his accountant has abandoned him and he needs help..he has serious issues with the return..should I offer to the agent to amend the return or just tell him straight that return numbers are understated but the taxable income might not be off..I need to time to analyze that and get some additional time from him..suggestions welcome..}}
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 +{{ForumReplyPost|UserID=DZCPA|Date=10 July 2009|Text=Do not amend return. The auditor may do that for you if neeeded. Just tell auditor what you have discovered regarding CGS. Say NOTHING else about your "opinions" about the numbers on return. Your job is to answer qustions brought up by auditor not create more issues or doubt for the IRS. Relax and let the IRS bring up the issues. If the client owes money, its not your fault. It the taxpayers problem.}}

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KCGuy (talk|edits) said:

9 July 2009
Since I have received my EA designation, I am getting more and more work related to representation...I just had a new client walked in with his last 3 years return and asking for help with IRS audit..I looked at the letter and it is asking for Schedule C Car and Truck expenses and Gross Receipts or Sales....So there focus is on these 2 items..Now I am looking at his 2008 return which is showing $50k income with no COGS so all income as gross Profit..He is Heating and Cooling guy and buys lot of equipment for putting in customer's house/business like Air-Conditioners etc..His 2008 bank statement is showing $240k credit which is total revenue as per the TP...The accountant (who did the return) is telling him that he does not need to report the equipment purchased for installing at customer's site so he just reporting the net amount..that is wrong, he is suppose to report all the revenue incld revenue related to equipment...

How do I approach this with IRS agent??..He is going to see $45k receipts and no COGS and other expenses (looks like made up numbers by the accountant) incld car expense based on 30k miles for the year...It appears that this accountant is getting audited for his other clients as well...My client is very concerned as he gave all the bank statements to this accountant every year and he did the tax return from those numbers and now those numbers are not reported correctly...He did not (intentionally) try to hide anything but the accountant did not do his job to report the numbers correctly...This is a SP with Schedule C income...One more thing, the TP has used this one bank account for everything, business and personal expenses...I can not believe he did that but he did..what is the best course of action..

Lhhesscpa (talk|edits) said:

9 July 2009
"... return which is showing $50k income with no COGS so all income as gross Profit."

And the taxpayer didn't notice the unreasonably low sales amount on the tax return he signed?

"It appears that this accountant is getting audited for his other clients as well."

Any you know this, how? If true, your client might be best represented by an attorney, especially if the audit is part of a sytematic investigation of the preparer.

"TP has used this one bank account for everything, business and personal expenses."

This is a poster child for worst practices.

-- Larry Hess, CPA ~ Albuquerque, NM

BTW, Bal, where did you learn to use ellipses instead periods?

KCGuy (talk|edits) said:

9 July 2009
My boss at Mead paper company used ellipses and I liked it as it is not a complete sentence and you just getting your message across..

I thought we as EA/CPA can do what an attorney can do..representation is what I am trying to do and this looks like a perfect client?? why an attorney??

Etax (talk|edits) said:

10 July 2009
When IRS does preparer audits, news spreads. Usually you get your accountant by referral from a friend. Those friends talk.

He better make sure he has receipts to cover all the costs of goods sold. As long as you can prove the difference between $240k of sales and the reported amount of $50, it won't affect taxable income. I'd worry about the other stuff.

KCGuy (talk|edits) said:

10 July 2009
I am sure that the taxable income will not change much but what are few of the initial steps that I need to do to get going with the IRS agent..I have faxed him the 2848 and he will be calling me to talk about the returns...I am not the preparer, I am just representing him as his accountant has abandoned him and he needs help..he has serious issues with the return..should I offer to the agent to amend the return or just tell him straight that return numbers are understated but the taxable income might not be off..I need to time to analyze that and get some additional time from him..suggestions welcome..

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

10 July 2009
Do not amend return. The auditor may do that for you if neeeded. Just tell auditor what you have discovered regarding CGS. Say NOTHING else about your "opinions" about the numbers on return. Your job is to answer qustions brought up by auditor not create more issues or doubt for the IRS. Relax and let the IRS bring up the issues. If the client owes money, its not your fault. It the taxpayers problem.