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only 2 ext. but its hard telling how many I will do this summer that didnt file an ext. I have a lady coming next week to file 2006, 2007 and 2008! }} only 2 ext. but its hard telling how many I will do this summer that didnt file an ext. I have a lady coming next week to file 2006, 2007 and 2008! }}
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Kathyt (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
We did this last year, let's do it again!

I'm winding it down today and here's my totals: 118 extensions and I've finished 554 1040's; I've finished 17 Partnerships (4ext) 7 Corps (4 ext) 8 S-Corps (6 ext).

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
27 extensions requested by clients.

I spent the majority of the day also filing extensions for an additional 75 2007 clients that we haven't heard from. I have a marketing idea for those, and I'll let you know later in the year how it goes.

531 returns completed (as of tonight) vs 553 last year 4/15

TheTinCook (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
How are you handling the sig requirement for the clients? Or do just make authorization to mail in the 4868 part of your engagment?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
what signature requirement?

aren't you an EA?

TheTinCook (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
I seem to recall having to do a PIN etc for the client when e-filing extensions. No such animal with paper filing it though.

Of course I'm an EA, but I generally exclude the authority to sign stuff for the client on my 2848;s.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
you don't need a 2848 to do a 4868

TheTinCook (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
I know that. not what I'm talking about.

Wonder Woman USA (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
Finished 150 individual returns, 38 on extension. I also did a couple of miscellaneous 1041s, and two more of those are on extension.

You folks who do 500-600 tax returns -- how much staff do you have? I work alone (from home), with a gal who comes once a week to assemble returns.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
it also depends on the complexity of the returns, WWUSA. You could do 1500 1040 EZs in the same time it takes to do 300 1040 Sch A, B, D, E's.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
(that's one way the chains make so much money - they're paying lower wages to someone to do an $80 return)

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
WW: I am up to 61 extensions, many of them the 'heavy hitters' who are too g-d complex to pile thru in the first two weeks of April when their K1s start arriving. And I work alone, with my wife doing copying, scanning and billing plus now data entering enough information to do extensions. One other woman data entered 23 returns but I review and finish them. My area has a surplus of local taxes, and business taxes.

Wonder Woman USA (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2009
Because of the assembly part of the job, there's no way I could crank out 1500 returns. Of course, I almost never do an EZ, and only did 14 1040-As.

Oh, I am down 27 returns from last year's number, but who knows how many people will discover a bruning need for an amendment or a tax return over the summer...

Southparkcpa (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
I really am in awe of some preparers. I hear of people that do 1,500, some do 50.

I did 250 1040's 80 percent relatively complex (k1's, passive etc..., Sch C, D, E). about 110 business returns. (1065, 1120S).

I do NOT want to do more. I am very mentally fatigued. 25, 1040 extensions, 10 biz extensions.

Glad it's over!!!

Kathyt (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
I have 2 employees, one is the secretary (puts returns together and deals with clients as they come in to sign) the other one is primarily a bookkeeper but she did about 100 of my 554 returns (but I still have to review them, and I do a very thorough review). I put in way too many hours, the last month I worked from about 6am to 8 pm six days a week. I plan on cutting back next year, getting rid of some clients. I'm tired of working that much, it's too stressfull. Too easy to make a mistake when my brain starts turning to mush at the end of the day. I am in such a bad mood by April 1st I don't even like myself. I would consider the returns I do fairly complex on the average, some extemely complex. Then sometimes I get stuck on something that seems like it should be simple, like the 13 year old 4-H kid who made 10k on the prize bull. I got stuck on that one when I had a controlled group of 4 corps each with the domestic production deduction, each with sales over 5mil, and I was sitting there stuck on "what should I do with this 4-H kid?!!!" When I needed to be working on the 4 corps. I think I need to cut back next year.

Genskitty (talk|edits) said:

April 15, 2009
I did 205 returns. 6 extensions. I am up by about 25% in return take rate. I still have one State Letter to do before I take a well deserved Friday off.

DLLCPA (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
My wife and I do the returns. One person for office help (copies, phone calls, etc). We have completed 220 returns and have 104 on extension. That's up just a little from last year. More extensions than I would like, but more people waited until late March to get us their stuff (because they are our most important/favorite client!).

MNCPA (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
We prepared about 1700 and extended about 250 individuals today - many will probably go elshwere, as we changed from preparing while the client waits to a drop off service.... We have 2 partners, 5 staff accountants and an office manager. Definitely need to revise the workflow as I felt it was really inefficient. Anyone have a workflow model they'd like to share for a firm our size?

Davidrayjr (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
Does anyone worry about filing extensions on people due refunds? I never really have. We've done about 850 returns and still weeding through the extensions. 2 partners and 3 staff. I admire the numbers MNCPA did as that is really a large figure. We are slightly down from last year, not sure why. Seems like the younger people tend to do it themselves...glad its over but backed up on quarterly work for our corporate clients.

TheTinCook (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
"Does anyone worry about filing extensions on people due refunds?"

There are a few elections that need to be made on a timely filed (including extensions) return.

In a current case, I'm seeking relief under Rev Proc 2007-62. If we hadn't filed the 7004, the client would be out of luck.

Wonder Woman USA (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
A couple of years ago, I failed to file a New York extension on a client due a refund and they dinged him for $25 penalty. Real hard-@sses there in the Empire State!

Rgtaxservice (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
One two extensions. One should be done by Friday. Still waiting on client info for the other. On the bright side, it delays me from tackling my wife's To Do List. No longer will the phrase "Honey, I can't do that. I have taxes to do." carry the same magical weight as it once did.

It's back to being mortal again.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
"Anyone have a workflow model they'd like to share for a firm our size?"

This get's the job done around our office, pick your poison (scroll down for choices):http://www.bumwine.com/

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
I will forward completed, extended tomorrow. Too tired and am enjoying my beer. As for staffing, why cut back when you can hire decent staff and then make money off of them and at the same time have someone in the office to banter ideas around with.

I have two additional part time preparers and an office manager that keeps everything sane. I start off doing the returns in the beginning and then it gets a little busy and I spend most of the time reviewing, answering questions and bantering on TA and Facebook, errr, I mean with clients explaining their returns to them.

My one preparer I inherited and she is pretty good, last of her kids started school this year, so she was 9 to 3 most days. The other is a younger CPA who had her first year with me after leaving a bigger regional firm. Very sharp young lady. But I won't let her know I said that.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

April 15, 2009
Fred, tell her, she deserves to know. :-)

70 extensions 291 finalized 43 MIA (they fired me, or I fired them) 32 New Can't complain in this economy.

NOW it's tequila time.

Irsfixer (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2009
My clients of course tend to be late filers. However, this year 64% were extended, which is somewhat higher than usual.

Davidrayjr (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
Its about in the books...looks like I am down about 9% in individuals. But about even money wise.

Waynecpa (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
876 done, 105 extensions. 140 new so far, 152 left, but I'm sure there will be another 20 or so new ones before year end (or ones I thought left but hadn't). This is the first year I did a calculation on revenue per staff payroll $ (for three employees). I came up with $6.23/payroll $ this year compared to $7.65/payroll $ last year. Several reasons for this, but I think I overpaid staff this year and underpaid last year.

Genskitty (talk|edits) said:

April 16, 2009
I am now up to7 maybe will be 8 extensions.

Davidrayjr (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
Wayne, what's in your calculation...that sounds interesting.

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
A whopping single extension.....


Average client billing $215.


Total returns, 23 including the freebies. Boy, I am rolling in the dough...I can't even afford to start DRINKING! :D


Thanks to you all...you guys have been great help this year. I am starting to know more and I am able to help out a little more around here myself...earn my keep if you will.


Michael

Lalva (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
Oh, now I don't feel so bad to say 40 returns, 3 extensions. 6 new clients this year, 100% retention. I don't advertise, I am growing organically from word of mouth, besides I don't have a store front to attract clients, so it's not so bad. And I wish I had more clients but this works for me since my kids are still young and I don't have the whole day to do taxes. By the time they are in high school I will be a lot busier, and I am planning on hiring them to answer the phone, assemble returns...

"Shoebox" (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
500 returns done, around 50 on extension (I played hookey and took my kids to the zoo last Friday), and a very panicked tax resolution attorney wondering why I haven't returned his calls.

Harry Boscoe, eat your heart out... I'm drinking a Busch Light!

Jokadah (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
I filed 50+ extension and finished 352 returns. I was really worried the beginning of tax season as it started out much slower than normal. I knew I would lose a few to Turbo Tax this year as they were trying to save money. What's funny is one of them had me amend their return as Turbo Tax treated their 1099R income as wages and as retirement income, so much for saving money. I asked if I had job security and he said he would never try to do it on his own again and would have me file from now on. I'm not sure how that program works but I could not match their figures. I was very surprised when I was tabulating things to see that I'm actually up almost 25% in revenue from last year. A lot more referrals this year, so all in all it was a great year.

Thank you for all of the wise contributors on this site. It's nice having a place to refer to as sometimes your mind just goes blank or you get these off the wall curve balls. Thanks.

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
Lalva,


I am glad I can be your "I don't feel so bad, I could be THAT guy! :D". We sound a lot alike in that we are growing our businesses by word of mouth. Forget advertising, the only real advertising I found to work is word of mouth and a brick and mortar shop with a sign on it/out in front of it. I tried everything from bloodying my thumb tacking cards and fliers to mailboxes, advertising in the local school newspaper (small town), etc. Not one call.


I am going to find a couple of small business or young entrepreneur groups and see if I can't work up a 'Getting organized for tax season' or some similar presentation for them. I think that is a very good way to grow....especially with young entrepreneurs because there is one single trait that makes them great targets as clients, they know everyone and never stop talking/selling.


Michael

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
Michael, the best return on your advertising dollar is your own personal "get out of jail free" card, or that's what I call it.

Work it out with your local Sheriff that he tucks one of your cards in the suit jacket of all the newly released prisoners.

A lot of them want to turn over a new leaf when they leave the Pen, and they are all looking for a good tax man. Remember, it's the people who are heading to jail (and don't know it yet), that you want to avoid. But the newly released prisioner has learned his lesson, and he makes a great new client.

So, you ought to be able to pick up a couple hundred reformed prisioners as clients each year... and the great thing about them is that your picking up all those additional returns for the years they didn't file.

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
I think you could be on to something there CrowJD.


I would hazard a guess that they didn't pay any quarterly tax estimates on all that income from making license plates and working the chain gang! Who could need a tax man more than them....well, other than my satan client.


Yo ho, yo ho,

Michael

Genskitty (talk|edits) said:

April 16, 2009
215 completed, 8 extension and 49 MIA's.

Genskitty (talk|edits) said:

April 16, 2009
Out of the 215, 115 are new.

Ekcpa (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
298 individuals completed 3 on extension at client request to fund pension, 25 corp/part. All done on time.

1 man shop. No help, returns prepared in front of clients. Could probably only handle a few more individual returns, while still doing monthly/quarterly write up , summary, payroll,1099,w2s. Most returns are schedule :E, C, D, a few are just schedule A's I would say less then 30. Several NOLs this year. Only 5 clients lost this year. 1 because of death. New clients outpaced leaving clients only by word of mouth.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
Gen-nay, It must be all that naughty talk you give them. Either that or it's word of your mouth. <BEG>

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
Good grief Genskitty, do you work in the nude or something? What -- other than your pleasant deameanor and $2.50 rates -- could bring that many new clients in in one year? Did you take CrowJD's advice and tap into prison releasee's or something? :D


That is a LOT of new clients!


Michael

Genskitty (talk|edits) said:

April 16, 2009
Michael, if I worked in the nude they wouldn't be paying me to do their taxes.

Fred, it is word of mouth. I am just that good. I might not and do not know everything. But what I do know I am good at. Or I come here to get better.

No Michael, I did not. My clients are telling their friends and children and family members and I also make appointments a year ahead of time. That does help alot. Next year I'm taking something that I learned from all of you guys. I'm sending out a check list to all of my prior clients when I send out thank you cards.

Michael, I found out that I brought in $40k into Block this year. I'm only getting a small small chunk of it for myself :(

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2009
Not only are my clients PITB, they must also not be very well liked. They generally only refer one each! :D


Good for you Genskitty.


Michael

Genskitty (talk|edits) said:

April 16, 2009
awe Michael. You need to find people (bribe them if necessary)to get new clients who are well liked ....

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2009
I actually have a very generous referral program that I offer to my existing clients. Anywhere from $25 up depending upon the work referred. Anyone who refers five clients gets their taxes done for free that year...and a great big old smooch from me.


I would like to have about 15 more returns (10 personal and 5 business/llc/c based). That would keep me plenty busy since this is only a part time gig.


I have some marketing ideas for my Quickbooks setup sales. I hope to put that plan of action into play once I get rid of the client.


Micahel

FloridaTaxes (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2009
I offer $10 for 1040 referrals and $25+ for business referrals. Maybe when I start charging more I will raise the referral incentives.

Here is what is currently on my to do list: one 2006 1120s, one 2006 1040, three 2007 1120s, four 2007 1040, three 2008 1120s, seven 2008 1040. And all of those 1120s have either done no accounting or very bad accounting for those years so I need to fix that first. I guess I also better get to those 941s and UCT-6 forms. Once I have all of this off my plate I plan to start sending out letters to businesses opened within the past 2-3 months to see if I can grab some more monthly accounting clients. I actually planned to do this several weeks ago and got bombarded with all these people that hadn't filed taxes in 2-3 years.

Waynecpa (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2009
David,

What I used in my calculation was just total billings from 1/1/09 to 4/15/09 divided by payroll paid for the same time period. Interesting to me also. As a sole proprietor, my time isn't figured into this of course. It did seem like I worked less this year, but got more done.

ROSA29301 (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2009
I DID ABOUT 35 EXTENSIONS. Overall, in my view I lost about 200 or more clients in comparsion to 2008. I am hoping to diversify. Doing other things to keep that continuity flowing. Any suggestions or feed back of waht's out their to do?

thanks

john

Taxestaxes (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2009
420 returns by myself.........

10-12 business/1041 returns

Did the same amount as last year, but made more money because I raised my fee!! YEAH!

only 2 ext. but its hard telling how many I will do this summer that didnt file an ext. I have a lady coming next week to file 2006, 2007 and 2008!

Lmcdon9822 (talk|edits) said:

18 April 2009
28 of 35 clients returned this year. I got 20 new clients for a total of 48. This is my 3rd year. I cannot wait until I hit the 500+ mark!!!