Discussion:1099-MISC ISSUED FOR IN-HOME HEALTH CARE FOR ELDERLY

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If they do not do this for a living, or your dad is the only client, you will have to file a W2. On the plus side, you could pay the withholding taxes for them now, and that becomes taxable income to them next year. Consider it a bonus for a job well-done.}} If they do not do this for a living, or your dad is the only client, you will have to file a W2. On the plus side, you could pay the withholding taxes for them now, and that becomes taxable income to them next year. Consider it a bonus for a job well-done.}}
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 +{{ForumReplyPost|UserID=Dude7707|Date=23 January 2009|Text=Similar issue: T/P initially paying "under the table" however after I took on client advise the following:
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 +1. Report wages - EE is Pd 1,250 semi-monthly and lives on T/P premises caring for T/P's spouse
 + who has alzheimer's and was being paid without any deductions. They want to continue paying
 + EE $1,250 so I grossed up her wages as follows:
 +
 + Gross: $1,405.27
 + Less: Fed W/H (155.27) Per W-4: S-1
 + Net 1,250.00
 +
 + T/P wants to make no changes to EE's net pay so they will pay EE's share of all P/R Taxes.
 +
 + Also since there is no 941 reporting or tax deposits due, T/P will pay all P/R Taxes on Sch
 + H and file with 1040 by 4/15/09.
 +
 +
 +2. As for Medical deductuion, I am having T/P docuement EE's hours for a given week to
 + determine % is for caring for patient for allocating Gross P/R and ER Taxes and what %
 + is personal. Also using caring % for
 + a. Estimated FMV for Room Rent
 + b. R/E Taxes, Utilities, Home Ins
 + Similar to InHomeOffice deduction
 +
 +This way everything is legal plus T/P is able to deduct a portion of her EE's cost as medical.
 +
 +Comments/Suggestions?
 +
 + }}

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DCTAX1 (talk|edits) said:

24 February 2007
Retired, 91 year old gentleman, lives alone, only income is retirement, social security and investment. Pays an individual $500 a week to come in and check on him, set out his daily medicines, take him to doctor's appointments, pick up prescriptions, etc.

(1) Is he required to give her a 1099-MISC? (The IRS publication implied that a 1099-MISC was for nonemployee compensation paid in the course of your business--he has no business)

(2) Can he write any of this off as a medical expense? (IRS Publication states that "You can include in medical expenses wages and other amounts you pay for nursing services. The services need not be performed by a nurse as long as the services are of a kind generally performed by a nurse. This includes services connected with caring for the patient's condition, such as giving medication or changing dressings, as well as bathing and grooming the patient. These services can be provided in your home or another care facility. Generally, only the amount spent for nursing services is a medical expense. If the attendant also provides personal and household services, amounts paid to the attendant must be divided between the time spent performing household and personal services and the time spent for nursing services."

It seems to me that the $25,000 paid to this person should be reported to IRS, and I have discussed this with my client, who is perfectly fine about doing so. And it would be great if we could deduct even a part of it as medical expenses.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

24 February 2007
A W-2 needs to be issued by the client to the nurse. The client needs to withhold for FICA/MC, but not for FWT, per Circular 15 - Domestic Help on about page 30. The taxes are reported on Schedule H and attached to and paid along with the 1040, go to the section in Circular 15 discussing how to deposit payroll taxes. Publication 926 discusses domestic employees in greater detail, according to Circular 15.

DCTAX1 (talk|edits) said:

24 February 2007
Actionbsns:

Thanks for your response. We looked into the household employee route and noted the difference in this person and the household employee is that she is the one who determines the how, when, and where of what she does. She comes at her own timing, uses her own vehicle for the transportation, etc.

The Publication you referred me to states as follows:

Do You Have a Household Employee? You have a household employee if you hired someone to do household work and that worker is your employee. The worker is your employee if you can control not only what work is done, but how it is done. If the worker is your employee, it does not matter whether the work is full time or part time or that you hired the worker through an agency or from a list provided by an agency or association. It also does not matter whether you pay the worker on an hourly, daily, or weekly basis, or by the job.

Are we simply stretching to try to report this in the easiest manner?

Thanks for your time.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

24 February 2007
I just went to the publication 926 and read through it. My feeling would be to still go the W-2 route. It doesn't sound as though there is an agency involved, you can't say this person uses her own tools, such as a gardener would, there would be a certain amount of control over this person's time in that he/she needs to be there at certain times to go to doctor appointments and insure meds are taken at the right time. (as an aside to that discussion, I know with my dad, if I don't call at 9:00 every Saturday, my name is mud, and most elderly people feel that way about time issues. So even though there may be no specific time requirements, individuals get used to certain routines and expect them not to change. So it could be construed to be implied.) All the work is done in your client's home. I'm not sure about the issue of how the work is done, although medical issues require specific procedures and skills. The other issue is whether or not services are offered to others? Your client also needs to apply for a TIN to complete these forms. If you opt for a 1099, you would be using the TIN rather than a SSN, which would tend to add credibility to the 1099, but there doesn't seem to be a discussion of tying that to the 1040.

DCTAX1 (talk|edits) said:

26 February 2007
Actionbsns,

Thanks for taking your time to help with this. The problem we have at this point in going a W-2 route is that no "employer" taxes were paid throughout the year. No employer Social Security/Medicare, no Virginia unemployment taxes, no employee Social Security withholdings, etc. How do you remedy that at this late date?

Taxea (talk|edits) said:

27 February 2007
This is a 1099 situation and one should be issued. I didn't see anything in your post that indicated any medical services (administering medication, assisting in bathing, dressing etc) doesn't look like there are any deductions your client can take. I don't see "health care-taker", I see assistant to elderly.

Lizzit (talk|edits) said:

27 February 2007
Well, sounds like none of you have any elderly relatives. 91 years old. The gal does his meds and takes him to the Doctor. Sounds like medical assistance to me. I'd take it on Schedule A Medical Expenses. If she's also doing some light housework, adjust the amount taken as a deduction on Schedule A accordingly. However, if your father suffers from certain medical conditions (moderate to heavy cognitive impairment or certain severe physical handicaps), he can also deduct the cost of the light housework. I looked that bit up for me mum; it's buried somewhere in pub 17.

You needn't issue a 1099 or W2 if the person is incorporated, invoicing you for the work done. I suggest they consider incorporation (as an S-corp) to get out of this going forwards.

If they are in the business of providing these services, and have several clients, and issue invoices, but they are not legally incorporated, then a 1099 is appropriate.

If they do not do this for a living, or your dad is the only client, you will have to file a W2. On the plus side, you could pay the withholding taxes for them now, and that becomes taxable income to them next year. Consider it a bonus for a job well-done.

Dude7707 (talk|edits) said:

23 January 2009
Similar issue: T/P initially paying "under the table" however after I took on client advise the following:

1. Report wages - EE is Pd 1,250 semi-monthly and lives on T/P premises caring for T/P's spouse

   who has alzheimer's and was being paid without any deductions.  They want to continue paying
   EE $1,250 so I grossed up her wages as follows:
     Gross:          $1,405.27
     Less: Fed W/H     (155.27)    Per W-4: S-1
       Net            1,250.00
  
   T/P wants to make no changes to EE's net pay so they will pay EE's share of all P/R Taxes.
   Also since there is no 941 reporting or tax deposits due, T/P will pay all P/R Taxes on Sch 
   H and file with 1040 by 4/15/09.


2. As for Medical deductuion, I am having T/P docuement EE's hours for a given week to

   determine % is for caring for patient for allocating Gross P/R and ER Taxes and what % 
   is personal.  Also using caring % for 
     a.  Estimated FMV for Room Rent
     b.  R/E Taxes, Utilities, Home Ins
   Similar to InHomeOffice deduction 

This way everything is legal plus T/P is able to deduct a portion of her EE's cost as medical.

Comments/Suggestions?