Discussion:$10,000 Penalties & Interest
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| + | I strongly disagree, I will not file a return with knowledge the return is incomplete. If you did, then you would set yourself up for lawsuits/complaints. | ||
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| + | And yes charge accordingly for the baby sitting fees. | ||
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FloridaTaxes (talk|edits) said: | 16 September 2009 |
| I have a client with a profitable S Corp whose prior accountant filed an extension for 2007 and never did the returns. He sent everything back to the client in early 2009 saying he was basically too much of a problem. I prepared both the S Corp and personal returns for 2007 and 2008 as soon as I could.
Now he owes $10,000 in penalties and interest for 2007, of which almost $6,000 is for late filing. Other than politely asking, is there anything I can try to help get these reduced? He has been making payments of $1,000 per week for the past several months and has reduced the actual tax due to under $10,000 but now owes almost the same amount in penalties/interest. This guy is not a tax evader, he just really needs to be hand-held and relies on the accountant to take care of things for him and let him know what to do and by when. | |
| 17 September 2009 | |
| How long has the relationship been going on with the prior accountant ? Did he have an expectation return was going to be filed timely . You might want to have your client threaten legal action regarding the $6,000 late filing fee .Is prior accountant a CPA or EA ? | |
| 17 September 2009 | |
| Reliance on another to file a return timely does not establish reasonable cause. The responsibility is that of the taxpayer. | |
| 17 September 2009 | |
| Taxpayer eats it. He may want to try to take it out of the prior accountant's hide since his negligence caused the problem. | |
Accountingbwtba (talk|edits) said: | 17 September 2009 |
| I have a Similar case once, unfortunatelly, it is easier to file a form 843 and request the abatement of penalties and interest under "reasonable cause" and with a proof of that the form 7004 was filed on time. Then you can take care of the tax preparer, no matter if is a CPA, Lawyer, EA or unenrolled, so long hi signed his return he is regulated by circular 230, but at the end, taxpayer is responsible and nobody else. | |
Floridacpa (talk|edits) said: | September 21, 2009 |
| IRS may accept reliance on a third party as reasonable cause, they tend to be fairly generous with abatement of penalties.
Whenever I submit a 2553 under the late relief rev procs, the reasonable cause is that the taxpayer expected a third party to file but failed to do so. I would file the 843 | |
FloridaTaxes (talk|edits) said: | 22 September 2009 |
| The CPA was his accountant for 6 years. I am going to try to form 843, it won't hurt. | |
| 22 September 2009 | |
| I'd sue the prior preparer for damages. If it's a licensed professional, also file a complaint. | |
| 22 September 2009 | |
| yes, if the CPA had any kind of license to practice accounting or tax, file a complaint. | |
| 22 September 2009 | |
| I am amazed at how quickly we are willing to throw another tax pro under the proverbial bus.
Now maybe it was all the prior tax preparers fault in this case, but just maybe the taxpayer has some responsibility here. I know over the years how many taxpayers I have had who drop tax docs off at the office on the deadline and then go AWOL for a year and half and then still don't have all the additional paperwork I had requested at the first meeting. Or somehow never got my phone call or email or letter. All I am saying is sometimes a little professional courtesy is called for. When ever I get a new client I have learned that if they have a problem with the prior preparer it is not always the prior preparers fault, the client may need to be honest with themselves. | |
| 22 September 2009 | |
| My comment was really a comment about BlrgCPA's comment. She was wondering if a CPA is a licensed professional. | |
FloridaTaxes (talk|edits) said: | 23 September 2009 |
| This guy is one of those that is always missing a bank statement, or can't remember what a cash withdrawal was used for, etc. But if you stay on his case about it he will get you what you need. I don't know if there are grounds to sue the CPA or file a complaint. I'm sure he had questions that needed to be answered before the return was filed because I had some. However, I wouldn't doubt it if he never even opened the package the find out what was missing. This client also needed a huge amount of clean-up on his QuickBooks file. Actually it was so bad I started a new one from scratch.
I'm not too quick to point the finger in this case, but if you know you have a client like this you should provide the extra service they need to get things taken care of and charge for your extra time. I was actually able to convince him to let me start doing his bookkeeping and payroll every month to avoid future messes and so far everything is going well. I believe the CPA was doing this for a while and then the client decided to do it himself because he was paying a lot and receiving bad service/attitudes. This might be why the CPA decided to blow this guy off, but what he did was still wrong. He could have told him sooner that he needed to find a new accountant. | |
| September 23, 2009 | |
| Kevin, you need to find one of those symbols/smiley face thingies (I'm sure there's a more technical name) that shows a 'tongue in cheek'. | |
| 23 September 2009 | |
| I'd sue the prior preparer for damages. If it's a licensed professional, also file a complaint
Did he have an expectation return was going to be filed timely I strongly disagree, I will not file a return with knowledge the return is incomplete. If you did, then you would set yourself up for lawsuits/complaints. And yes charge accordingly for the baby sitting fees. TexCPA 20:37, 22 September 2009 (CDT) | |


