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Cmundo (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
I have a client that we will call "Candy" who provides a MUCH needed "professional" service. Candy has established a home-office where she "entertains" clients, but on occasion she is asked by certain establishments to assist with their clientele. Candy has a 7-Series BMW which she leases and uses "exclusively" for business. These establishments do not reimburse her for her travel and issue her a 1099 for her "services." In addition to her 1099 work, she has a W-2...J-O-B in a physical therapist's office. Actually the physical therapist's office is close to these other establishments, so each day Candy drives about 60 miles to the first of these establishments. After she "finishes" with her early morning clients, she travels about 6 miles to her J-O-B where she spends the entire business day before traveling about 10 miles to another "establishment." From here she returns home.

Candy works very hard at her "craft" as you can imagine and would like to keep as much of her "hard" earned dollars as possible. How much can she deduct for "business" mileage?

[Above is provided for tax-season entertainment and is not intended to represent my client-base or to be mistaken for any person or persons, but let me just say that bartering arrangements can relieve alot of stress at this time of year]

Candy and I appreciate your help...

--Cmundo 16:12, 28 March 2007 (CST)

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Is this a joke? hehe

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 28, 2007
I'd give her whatever she wants. Well, crud, my wife wouldn't let me do that...

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
If this is an actual question, then what I hear is that the client goes to her 1099 appointment, then her employer's place of business (commuting) and then to another 1099 appointment and then home to other appointments in her home office. She is working quite a few hours it seems...but nonetheless...

From her home to the 1099 it is business expenses as she is not being reimbursed for mileage and it is not commuting from an employer's prospective....now her commuting would be from her home to her employer's place of business and home again...that is commuting as I understand it.

So take her total daily mileage...deduct her mileage to/from her home for the w-2 wages and then the rest (unless personal use of the vehicle is also recorded) are her business miles....

This is the way I would approach it but then again I have no "vested" interest in her business and this would be how I would look at it as an "agent" of the IRS...but hey...I have been known to be wrong...hehe

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Sandy, send them to the discussion on Construction Workers mileage Image:smile.jpg

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
I would give her a very (big and) hard time if she wanted to take it all in as business expenses, and not some as employee business expenses. I think a spanking would be in order to teach her the discipline of taxation, but she would be entitled to teach me a lesson or two about the intimate financial details of her entrepreneurial desires to arouse my interest and inspire my creativity. I would also recommend we use the long form and meet quarterly to determine whether she had an obligation to satisfy the needs of the tax man.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 28, 2007
Kevin - Do you teach these things at your classes? When will you be in Mount Pleasant again?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
I am just trying to fill a need. This taxpayer has been playing fast and loose with her deductions and needs some good hard advice. There is a lot of stiff competition in the tax area, so someone needs to rise to the occasion to help.

And if she brings one of her co-workers with her I can give her the refer-a-friend very friendly discount. I have found referrals to be the best source of growth for my practice.

AHH (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
XXX Rated Kevin....sit back and take a long, deep breath!!!

OH MY ACHING BACK, KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A GOOD MASSAGE :0)

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
If Chris doesn't mind putting on some protection (wear this hard hat), he can join Candy and I down at the job site where our muscled virile friends are getting all hot and bothered discussing Discussion:Construction workers - deductible mileage. That is, if he's done playing doctor for the day. User:Cmundo Take off those rubber gloves now.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 29, 2007
Run out of tax returns to do, Kevin?

Cmundo (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Although Candy does remove her "tools" every night and may indeed not work in the best part of town, I am not sure she should deduct mileage due to the close proximity of the "establishments" to her regular J-O-B. What say you?

--Cmundo 18:34, 28 March 2007 (CST)

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 29, 2007
Do you pull this stuff out of a web site or does it come naturally to you?

TaxDude (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
He's delirious. Not enough sleep.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Well, Chris, I would probe some more, if I were you. Have you explored all of the various tax positions? Puts, calls, and straddles? Early withdrawal penalties? Have you tried showing her your double-entry bookeeping system?

Clearly, mileage from her primal primary job to the temporary assignation assignment or job would be deductible. If it were for self-employment, however, the question is whether she is doing this for pleasure or if it is ordinary and oooohhhhh, soooo, necessary.

AHH (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Go take a cold shower Kevin Image:surprise.jpg Image:smile.jpg Image:surprise.jpg

Dangit why won't those smiley thingys work for me.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
that works for me

Cmundo (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Kevin I got it after "probing" deep as you suggested.

Awesome job guys and gals. Thanks for your help. Candy will be VERY happy. You are all invited to my "after tax season" party...I will give Candy a call and invite her and request that she bring along her tools!!!

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
And her friends. We will be able to write off the "party favors" as client market penetration costs.

Is this the type of niche you see yourself specializing in?

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Oh darn, I missed the smut.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
she just left.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
WOW: No thanks for the offer of a "party"...I don't think CANDY is my flavor....but KEVIN...I am lmao right now....you DO have a way with the English language...hehe

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Sandy, it really rubs me the wrong way to see a good taxpayer like Candy blow it by not taking advantage of the expertise of a tax professional. We really can come to the aid of the lay person with all of our knowledge.

I really hate to think of even taking a fee in circumstances like this one. I have come to find my self growing both personally and professionally from my association with such warm and friendly clients.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
i just want to know where i have to go to get an appointment with Candy and get my treat.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Another wonderful tax professional willing to come to her rescue.

TaxNerd (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Ha ha ha. Great stuff. But I think we need to come to the happy ending of our massage therapist discussion.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Well...we SEA what you are up to Kevin!!

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 29, 2007
Kevin's usually up to something!

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
HEHE Deb...actually he is really "UP" to something or someone....hehehe

TaxNerd (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
I don't think so, he's just working hard on taxes.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
I JUST BET HE IS!!!

MENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn

AARRGGHH

RSRAGENCY (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
OH MY GOSH!!!! I cannot believe these posts!! SOOO funny....but I don't know about that Kevin....he was SO helpful and to think I was going to look him up when I was in Charlotte next month!!

Better think about that one....

DJ

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 29, 2007
Charlotte? That's only six miles from where I live. What day and where in Charlotte? You are referring to Charlotte, MI, right?

RSRAGENCY (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
OH, Deb, I was SO excited with your FIRST sentence....no :( it's NC...

DJ

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 29, 2007
Oh, nuts! NC? (RSR - Are you in Michigan?)

RSRAGENCY (talk|edits) said:

29 March 2007
Deb, no New Jersey.....

DJ

Cmundo (talk|edits) said:

30 March 2007
Let's fire this up one more time for those that did not get a chance to enjoy...LOL

Taxguy1024 (talk|edits) said:

31 March 2007
This discussion reminds me of one of my favorite court cases from a few years ago....a man was writing a book about an industry that exists legally in this country only in certain places in the state of Nevada (everybody with me so far??)...well...he deducted certain "research expenses"....the outcome of the case was that the court said in its opinion (and you can't make this stuff up) that they denied the deduction because there was "too great an element of personal enjoyment" for it to be an ordinary and necessary business expense. (I don't know about the rest of you....but that made me wonder just how much "personal enjoyment" there could be....and something still be deductible).

Szptax (talk|edits) said:

31 March 2007
What the heck - I suppose they think that no-one is supposed to enjoy their job? What if he didn't enjoy it - puhleeze

Ken@seamann.com (talk|edits) said:

26 January 2008
I actually have an associate of mine whose office is in one of the "special" counties in Nevada. This job profession is one of his "specialties". Some of the returns are quite interesting.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

7 April 2009
has anyone heard from Cmundo lately? I'm wondering now if he is the one advertising 'Taxes for the Topless' in San Diego.

Pent-Up (talk|edits) said:

8 April 2009
Kevin - we didn't realize you were so "Pervy" - good thing you are not applying for a CPA License -

most state's Board's of Accountancy contain a "Good Moral Character" provision - one you would surely fail.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

8 April 2009
I only used common English words. If your mind saw something in them other than the tax implications, then that says a lot about yourself. But you're right, I don't compare with Bernie Madoff's CPA or the Enron CPAs. Such high moral character!

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

8 April 2009
There's a morals clause. Darn. K, here's my license back.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

30 May 2014
For Belle, also.

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