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Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
And what is the correct way to answer it?

Should we point the questioner to the source Publication 17 of the basic information?

Should we just answer "yes" or "no"

Should we ignore it?

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
Kevin I think we all know when you think a question is stupid -

Non-professionals stupid questions: I think sometimes we forget that what we take for granted as basic knowledge is totally greek to the average non-tax professional person. Yeah - answer their questions -

Now for the professionals - I think all of our brains are beginning to fry....we need that clarification from another - I know I have way too many tax laws beginning to get mixed up in my head - yeah answer the dumb/stupid questions -

JEllegate (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
Should I answer this question? Only kidding!

I generally agree with Vbcpa we need to help each other out and this is such a great forum to do so. Where I differ is as far as the non professionals are concerned I'm not a big fan of taking too much time to respond to their questions. But, again that is another great feature of this forum as everyone can use their own discretion concerning how they want to participate.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
Thanks, both of you, I thought my question might be too stupid for anyone to respond.  : )

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
I definitely thought about not responding, but out of professional courtesy.......

I have to laugh though -- do you see all the "stupid questions titles" that are back to back on the discussion list???? :)

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 24, 2007
>>And what is the correct way to answer it?

Any way you'd like to answer it.

>>Should we point the questioner to the source Publication 17 of the basic information?

Yes, if you're short on time and energy.

>>Should we just answer "yes" or "no"

Yes, if you're short on time and energy.

>>Should we ignore it?

Yes, if you're short on time and energy.

I haven't been spending nearly as much time here lately, because I'm about totally burned out, and that's normal for the last month of tax season. Three weeks and two hours to go....

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
And I'm hoping I'm never tempted to link back here in any answer Discussion:When is a question Stupid?? although now that I think about it.....

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
But when the professionals ask the same g-d questions again and again and have been doing so since I began posting, it wears thin. I don't practice accounting any more [or any less, as the comedian would say] but we have a glut of professionals here who dabble in taxes. When what I don't know comes to me, I refer it out. Sometimes it bothers me that people will use letters after their name to develop a sideline, harnassing computers and interview methods drawn from Turbo Tax to develop an additional practice while using this place as their research tool instead of Publication 17.

Sorry to vent. Good question, Kevin.

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
DT: I'm not sure I'd use the term professionals for those who dabble - terrifying what some of those folks are doing to others tax returns!

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
Vbcpa - I saw all the Stupid Questions together too. You'll notice that Kevin is shown as the last user but when you click on the thread, nothing new has been added in months. I've seen this before with Kevin and Deb. At first I thought they were trying to trick us all but now I know that they have made some type of behind the scenes change.

Will (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
What can you expect from a profession that is only regulated in two states. Like I say, if your not in OR or CA you only need a shirt and a pencil to start a tax prep biz. (If you sit real close to your desk you can get by without pants.)An ethic for continuing and self-education is not required.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
BL, I changed the header line to be more descriptive of the contents so that people using the search feature could find it easier. The header "Stupid question" doesn't tell anyone that the question is really about LLCs or Divorce or whatever.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
(any more than "Voiding stale dated checks" tells you the thread will really be about Girl Scout cookies.)

WillyB (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
I like some of Kevinh5's answers to SQs.. like

"use your search button.. it is in yellow to the upper left" That is one of my favs.

Taxea (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
no question is stupid, they are usually based on lack of knowledge therefore since the question is obviously from one who has not done any research I, like you, have no problem with pointing that out to them. taxea

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

24 March 2007
Kevin is the master SQ answerer! Always says what most of us are thinking! :)


Bottomline - Kevin's behind the scenes edits reminds me of the line from Mr. Deeds....he's "very very sneaky sir"

TJ (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
I'm new here, I agree with Vbcpa and Deback. I don't know if there are any really stupid qustions. I have a few that I have not posted, yet ( still completing my own research). I can only speak for myself; sometimes, I get bogged down on the easy things especially at the end of the tax season. Here, people help you get over that hurdle so keep checking this site and answering questions. This has become my favorite site except for maybe RedSox.com (well, after the tax season).

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 25, 2007
I have less patience, actually, for pros who won't do even rudimentary research before popping a question up in here. They do not learn that way. If they're pressed, and say so, I understand. We've all been there. But to repeatedly just ask instead of searching...I learned long ago, had an old partner who was training an intern-type, and finally told him just that. So now, before I call my old partner!, I do my research. And try to do that here as well.

For the general public, sorry Kevin, but if they read the pertinent sentence twleve times it would make no sense. I'd rather answer and send then on. If you don't want to, just leave them be.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
TJ - just have to make you jealous since you're a Red Sox fan. I played hooky last Sunday and went to a Spring training game - Rays and Phillies. Sunny, 69 degrees and we actually won! :)

TJ (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
Bottom Line - I am jealous. We had a snow storm last weekend and all I did besides tax returns was shovel! Tax season prediction - the Sox will have a great season!

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
Tax season prediction - the Rays will again stink. Flashes of brilliance, hours of hair pulling.

Jdugancpa (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
Tim, just to satisfy Kevin, why don't you set up one of those permanent yellow topics a the top of the page for FAQ's. Maybe even with a subtitle like: "You're not the first one to ask that really dumb question so look here first."

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
Make it really flashy with sparkles and stars and zig-zagging colors maybe? Or a picture of an elephant with a sign on his back that you have to rope the elephant and write on the sign before you can post your question. Make the elephant really fast.

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
oh my --- lol - Where do you come up with this stuff? I think it's a measure of my exhaustion that I find that absolutely hilarious! I evidently need some help!!!!

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
I am just as exhausted. I sat and laughed at the idea of someone having to rope that elephant before asking a question too. Anyone else think it should be like that?

Moneric (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
I think the joke is on us all - sitting here at 9:30 on a Sat night

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
We could rig the site to close to the viewers eyes if they type 'deposit forfeit' in any combination, or Salary in a S Corp, or Health Insurance in an S Corp or the initials SMLLC. As the site closed, a message would pop up, "Next Time Use Search, Pilgrim!"

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2007
We definately need to get a life

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
Tim is still working on the elephants.

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
I think I may be very disappointed if we don't get elephants  :)

Laticiaw (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
I have some stupid questions...so I don't ask them...I know that I'll figure them out after April 17th. Besides I can ask my boss...I'd rather have him think that I'm an idiot than all of cyberspace...

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 27, 2007
I have a question that I've been wanting to ask, but I've been putting it off, because I don't want to sound stupid (and I'm not sure I could trust Kevin's answer, if he chose to answer it).

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
You've got to ask now we're in suspense.... Kevin promise you'll be nice!

Laticiaw (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
Deback --- looks like you are just like me...don't like getting shot down either do ya?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
for the next 5 minutes, I promise to be nice.

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
guess you're off the hook.... lol ....

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 27, 2007
Okay, I think I went past the five minutes. This is not the question I've been putting off asking. I might ask that within the next week. But here is another one, and it's not really a question, because I know what I have to do, but I'm feeling too lazy to do it right now. I'm working on a return that contains the following statement on a lawyer's handwritten list of income and expenses:

"Did not receive 1098E student loan interest statement but paid $1080.72 in payments on 8% Sallie Mae loan"

I have no choice but to call this client and ask him what the balance of the loan is, but I don't feel like loading up my old TValue interest program to figure out how much interest he paid. I think I'll call him tomorrow. The question is: Shouldn't a lawyer know that the amount of payments and the interest rate are only two parts of the full equation?

Laticiaw (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
Tell him to go to the Sallie Mae website, log on, and download a 1098-E...it's that simple...they stopped mailing them out...I know this becuase I have a student loan through them and that's how I get the information!!!! Why should you do all the work?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
Deb, offer extended another 15 minutes. PVV and I are discussing craps, and that is more interesting today than doing taxes, so I'm in a good mood.

Laticiaw (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
Not a stupid question Deb, just a stupid client...if he doesn't know how to log into the site...walk him through step by step or suggest that his secretary do it for him...

Vbcpa (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2007
Deb, I spend about 1/2 hour a day calling clients and telling them to go get the rest of the information I need.....agree with lat. make him get the information

....regarding lawyers ----I've learned not to expect a lot of accounting,tax, or "basic math" knowledge from most of them....

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 27, 2007
Vbc - I also spend a lot of time calling clients almost every day. I'm just not in the mood to do that today. The returns I did yesterday are still sitting in the pile to call clients. Decided to wait until tomorrow to call them. Usually, in these last three weeks, I'll put off calling clients as often, so I can just keep working on the drop-offs without as many interruptions.

Laticiaw (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Well, you shut this form up AHH...

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Well I know he isn't talking about me.

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Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
no, I was trying to point out that I always answer your questions, so I hope you don't think I am the arrogant person.

AHH (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Something went haywire w/ my last posting here Kevin and it didn't post.

In essence what I said to you was: My dear, intelligent, fellow North Carolinian Kevin....I meant nothing bad towards you. I realize you do answer my ?'s and I appreciate it immensely, as well as to all the others on this forum. I profusely apologize for making you think I was punching at you. Please forgive me.

Gmikeg (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Remember the post from last spring; I think it went like this:

Does nobody do research here!!!!!!


LOL


Mike

Gmikeg (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Wait, I got it,



HUH?



Mike

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
I am still waiting for someone to explain deposits lost on Christmas lawaways at Walmart? Is there some way I can deduct this; I lost a $6,000 deposit I put down on a 300 inch TV last December and want to write it off. Won't someone answer my question. I've searched under Walmart and plasma and television.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
you were on the right track when you searched STUPID and found this thread

Acctax (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Have you checked under "oops". That big TV must have been for the elephant. LOL

Victor1530 (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Kevin OK this may be a stupid question. Was on the NSTP site looking at the publications Monthly /Weekly etc. Are you speaking in Atlanta also or just Vegas. do you have a free pass for there? Maybe another stupid question ...but hey if you dont ask ...you dont receive.

Thanks

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
I'm not with NSTP, but NATP. A long long time ago I was a member of NSTP but not in 15 years. No, I'm not teaching in Atlanta this year, but I did last summer. My teaching schedule and locations is on my profile page click Kevinh5

Victor1530 (talk|edits) said:

28 March 2007
Excuse Me was a type I meant the NATP.

Thanks anyway

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2007
48 hour reprieve on stupid questions, as we are all way way way too tired.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2007
Just two questions Kevin, before I go tackle my moron of a client who incorporated, filed everything in a red three ring binder and thought he was an S corp just because - well that's the answer, just because.

1. Please tell me one more time if I can deduct lost earnest money and how.

2. Where is it we get Girl Scout cookies?

It's 5:15 p.m. here in Hawaii and I still need to get the moron more finished than he is now. BTW, we're going to Hawaii for vacation right after tax season. Made reservations this morning for mid week stay at a local resort. Only rule husband set out is that I can't sneak off to the office to "do just one thing".

PVVCPA (talk|edits) said:

April 16, 2007
Action, I don't know you, but I hate you :) You may live in Hawaii, but I bet you are as pastey white as the rest of us. We all have been confined to our office and fluorescent lights for the last 10 weeks. I played wiffle ball with my nieces & nephews at Easter. I think I was in the sun for a half hour, and I got a sun burn.

Bengoshi (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2007
PVV, if you had just worn the ladies outfit you wouldn't have suffered the sun burn.

Hawaii is good in that you don't have to worry about ice on the roads and tornados...but it gets kinda of boring have perpetual summer... I guess the grass is greener on the other side.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2007
Actually we don't have perpetual summer in Hawaii, we have subtle seasonal changes and on my hill it gets "bloody" cold. My husband complains bitterly because he has to put on a sweater when it gets down to 68. I remind him often that he's wearing a sweater not scraping ice. PVV - interesting comment, I understand your intention, but your third phrase gets my seven year old grandson in lots of trouble lots of times.

As for living in Hawaii, I think Natalie would agree, it's a different place to do all the things you do anywhere else. We work for a living to pay rent or mortgages, take the kids to the doctor and get braces, buy prom dresses and first cars. We rarely get to go on "vacation" to Hawaii like mainlanders do. I bought a snorkel trip at a silent auction earlier this year and we are going to use it this week also. As far as not having ice on the roads or tornadoes, Bengoshi, you are right, however, we do have the threat of volcanic eruption, hurricanes, and, oh there is that issue of earthquake - like a 6.7 to wake you up in the morning followed immediately by a 6.2. Amazing story about that - I had just dropped off my final tax return from last year on October 15, when bright and early the next morning we had these two major shakers. That TP had a liability of about $50K - he had the income and no write offs but the standard exemption and 3 deductions. Gotta stop rambling and finish the day.

Dhtax (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2007
I've only been an EA for 8 years and I'm afraid I ask a lot of stupid questions, so I appreciate Vbcpa's attitude (up at the top of this posting). They mainly fall into these categories:

--Things I once knew but am too fried to remember; --Things that are enough beyond my scope that my initial research doesn't come up with answers; --Cases where I'm not sure I'm asking all the right questions; --Cases where I just want to check my thinking with others, now that I'm working alone; --Things where I know the basic rules but am not sure how they fit some weird case; --Things that seem to confuse other people too, since usually they provoke a bunch of conflicting answers from other professionals (until Riley2 steps in to settle it . . .)

It's great to be able to read through this forum and keep finding things I never heard of or forgot about or wouldn't have thought of. Keep it up!

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

September 12, 2007
Now I know about the Elephants!! I was so busy during tax season, I never even saw this discussion.

Action, you forgot to mention the little grass huts that always require extra maintenance after those strong hurricane winds.

Actually, Hawaii is a wonderful place to live. And yes, sun burns come along with it -- especially when one spends more than three hours in the water boogie boarding. (Sunscreen only lasts 80 minutes. Note it's not 60 minutes or 90 minutes. Where'd they ever get that from?)

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