Discussion:When Will The Ammo Shortage End?

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MP-JD-LLM (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
I went to Walmart, Cabelas, and Big 5 today. No one has any ammo. In desperation, I drove to the The Range. They sold me 100 rounds of .40 caliber and 100 rounds of .22LR. Sales per customer is limited to 100 rounds each. In addition, they offered to sell me 9mm only if I fired them there.

In early 2009, shares of Strum Ruger were selling for $5. Today they are just over $50 -- a 1,000% return in only four years. Obama and Biden are the best gun salemen America has ever seen. The FBI is running 32 background checks per minute. The gun companies are working three shifts per day, seven days per week, and cannot keep up with demand. In the meantime, many are refusing to practice with their weapons, because they cannot replace the ammo. Police departments cannot buy ammo.

Other news -- SCOTUS is considering granting cert to a case from New York involving a denial of a concealed carry permit. Maryland lost an identical case at the federal district court level. See Wollard versus Sheridan.

The gun control issue is getting so hot, that no one is noticing that the national debt is quietly slipping past $17 trillion. Employment is a disaster. The economy is anemic. Where is the focus of this administration? On gun control.

Oh well, it is a truism that "every country has the government that it deserves." Alexis de Toqueville.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
Four words:

Johnny Carson toilet paper.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2013/04/neighborhood_in_mourning_for_6-year-old_toms_river_boy_fatally_shot_by_4-year-old.html#incart_river

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
That's not a case for gun control, David. That's a case of idiot parents leaving loaded guns in reach of a 4 year old. My sympathy for the parents and family of the dead child. Tragic.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
Have to agree with Kevin. I always ask why?

Why assault weapons and not handguns?

What has caused more death, handguns or rifles?

What is less effective against a tyrannical government, rifles or handguns?

Hmmmmmmm.

PollyAdler (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
We've had a decline of the man, and a rise of the gun in this country. So I would agree that we have a character problem and not a "control" problem. Nevertheless, my mother at least tried to put some control over our family cookie jar, and it worked to some extent, I guess. Unfortunately, I think the blood is going to have to flow pretty deep before a lot of the clowns on the right begin to get their sanity back; in the meantime, it will be more of the Yosemite Sam crap that the sane among us will have to tolerate until the blood runs deep enough.

Here is a right winger protecting his border against trespassers in Sahara Sam, "Ok Rabbit, I gotta bead on ya.": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdb3hY2u-Us

MP-JD-LLM (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
Four thugs just invaded a home in North Carolina with guns. The homeowner killed two. The other two escaped with their lives and were arrested later. I think the homeowner must be a Republican, because if he had been a Democrat, he would probably be dead now. If he had been a Democrat and survived, he would likely soon become a Republican and gun owner.

The two probably got away because the homeowner only had ten round magazines and had to reload. The subsequent trials will likely cost the taxpayers tens of thousands. Years of incarceration will increase the bill exponentially. Think of the money that could have been saved in the homeowner had been allowed to have 17 round capacity "clips".

In a situation like this, the best gun control is making sure that the front sight is on center mass of the target before pulling the trigger. Probably a difficult task with the perps are shooting back, as was the case here.

The problem with banning handguns is that a rifle is unwieldy in close quarters. Also, it is difficult to carry an AR-15 when you go to the movie or out to dinner.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/14/home-invasion-suspects-killed-in-gunfight-with-nc-homeowner/

PollyAdler (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
The media needs to do it's job and expose the NRA for what it has become today: a kitchen cabinet for a new Hitler.

This organization is not about guns or gun safety anymore. It has a far, far right agenda. There was a great article on Daily Kos that went through and commented on each of NRA's current board members. Beyond the fact that it was disgusting, it was truly chilling to realize that such characters exist in this day and age. Into the dustbin with them, I say. The sooner the better.

I'll try to find this article again or maybe I can gather some more information on these people. In the meantime, I await the rising tide of blood. America rarely takes the right steps in advance, it will take a true crisis for us to act: the blood may have to run knee deep.

When our men in this country get their character and integrity and their "manhood" back, then they can take their objectified manhood off the gunbelt around their fat bellies and start acting like real men again.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
Getting back to MP's original post and also touching on the point of North Carolina, I'll say this.

The town of Mayberry was in North Carolina. Sheriff Andy did not carry a gun. He kept his Sheriffin' guns in a gun cabinet at the station. On the other hand, Barney did carry a gun. But Barney, God love him, was a clown, so Andy had to limit him to one bullet and he wouldn't let Barney keep the bullet in his gun.

Some people say that Mayberry was just fictional, but I will say this: if there was a Jesus, and if he died and rose from the dead, then there was a Mayberry with all the characters we love like Barney, Thelma Lou, and Aunt Bee.

Now I think that's all that "Big Sis" (Janet Napolitano) is doing with the bullet buys. She's trying to buy up all the bullets so the modern day Barneys of the world won't go off and shoot everyone in sight. It's a huge waste of metal and gunpowder any way you look at it. Whether the clowns get the bullets, or whether Janet gets them, it's just a huge f'n waste of raw materials in this day and age that could be put to better use.

My friends, I have the faith of a child that there really was a wise Sheriff named Andy, and he was smart enough to limit a clown like Barney to one bullet.

Snowbird (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
Actually, If I was to buy a 223 semi-automatic rife with a high capacity magazine (AR-15 ) it would be more due to a fear of no government rather than a "tyrannical government." We have all seen how people react in a localized disaster, now scale that up to a national disaster where the engine of economic activity and governmental stops. What happened in NC would just be the norm with perhaps larger gangs.

Kevin, I had to google what you meant by "Johnny Carson toilet paper". At first I though you were using JC as a stand-in for another JC and was being irreverent:)

Crow, I neither belong to the NRA nor know who are the officers, but Daily Kos is no bastion of objectively. I am surprised you would quote as a reference such a group of Libtards. I went to the web page to see if I could find your reference ... one of the first things that struck me was the comment that Social Security is no problem: "After all, the Social Security Trust Fund has a $2.7 trillion surplus and will continue to grow until 2021." I suspect they have no idea that surplus is held in US Treasury bond that the government can not repay without printing more money leading to an inflation spiral.

MP-JD-LLM (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
In 2004, there we just under 8.5 application to purchase firearms in the U.S. In 2012, the number was 16.5 million. It appears that 2013 will be another banner year. The increase has nothing to do with testosterone or objectified "manhood." People are afraid, and fear is a much stronger driver that machismo. There is a constant, subliminal unease that our society cannot continue on this reckless course of spending, borrowing, and printing money. For who have known this and repressed, they remain subconsiously aware.

Before Charles Whitman, how many mass shooting occurred in America? Whitman suffered from a brain tumor. Today, however, someone with an over-developed sense of entitlement goes into his employer's premises and starts shooting after being terminated for drunk on the job. The left believes that the government will protect them. The mantra on the right is "when seconds count, the police are just minutes away." The left believes that government will fix the problem. The right believes that government is the problem.

MP-JD-LLM (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
What is fun about this (and I mean fun in the most perverse way) is that we are witnessing the the potential collapse of our economy, our society and our institutions. Obama is utterly clueless with respect to how to staunch it. Perhaps he doesn't even want to. Obama, the magician, has everone's attention on gun control and immigration. What is amazing to me is that I am not more upset. It is like witnessing a train wreck, knowing what is about to happen, and being more occupied by the anticipation of the impending collison than the inevitable consequences.

In answer to my own question, the ammo shortage will end when people stop hoarding. The purchase by Homeland security of 1.6 billion over the next five years is a drop in the bucket. Gun owners are hoarding thousand of rounds in fear of the future. They will not stop until that fear subsides or they conclude that more rounds will not make them safer.

What is this fear really? It is a fear that this is all there is. It is a fear that there is no God. Why should there be any accountability today. I will say this, I would much rather believe in a God that does not exist than replace him with today's gods of Ritalin, Prozac and Xanax.

"If that's all there is then let's keep dancing. Let's break out the booze and have a ball." Peggy Lee summed it.

Todays troubles started the day that God died.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRZZC-DH7M

MP-JD-LLM (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2013
Yup, Kevin, and it is a piquant now as it ever was.

ZL28 (talk|edits) said:

21 April 2013
I still don't get why people are hoarding ammo.

Do they think there is going to be some huge military conflict between them and the US military?

MP...what were your thoughts regarding Obama's American Jobs Act a few years ago?

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

21 April 2013
People are hoarding ammo because they're afraid that ammo will be outlawed. We'll have the right to bear arms, just won't have anything to put in them.

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