Discussion:AICPA Membership
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21 January 2009 | |
I just wanted to get thoughts on this one.
I started my firm about a year ago, and as you can imagine cash is tight. With Pro-advisor memberships being $650 per year (only because of the technical glitches with QuickBooks do I feel uncomfortable going without Tech support), chamber of commerce memberships ($300 per year), networking association dues, State CPA society dues, peer review membership and review fees, CPE, and CPA licensing fees, I am just feeling like all of my money is going to dues leaving me with not much left. (Don't you feel sometimes like everyone's making money off of your business except you, and you are the one doing all of the work.) I'd love to join the AICPA, but right now I just don't have a lot of extra to spend and I have tried to put my money into things that will hopefully generate more money (i.e. networking associations like BNI and the Chamber of Commerce) For those that are members of the AICPA, do you get a lot from being a member of the AICPA? Do you recommend maybe just ordering some of their journals? Is there a way to get the meat of the membership (education) without paying the steep price? I just think the $395 plus $175 for the tax section is pretty steep especially when you have to finance the cost to join. I am currently a member of my state cpa society. I don't get a lot of technical updates from the state society especially when it comes to taxes, but I do order a lot of PPC journals, I use the State CPA society library, I review the U.S. Master Tax Guides and Quick Finders annually, I also get IRS updates via e-mail, and of course I absolutely love you guys. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks Nance |
January 21, 2009 | |
Does your Pro-Advisor membership include some special support? I pay about $425/year, and that includes technical support.
It does seem like you have a lot of memberships, and there probably is some overlap. If you have access to other tax references, you probably don't need the $175 tax membership portion of the AICPA. The only reason that I can think of is to get the tax checklists and tax newsletters. Have you found BNI generates business for you? I was a member for about 1.5 years. I left after that time because I found I got more business from other places, and the weekly meetings got to be a little too much. Personally, I find that being a member of three organizations is about the max that I can handle. Otherwise commitments (and cost) tend to get out of hand. |
Taxalmancer (talk|edits) said: | 21 January 2009 |
I think you would get out of it what you put in. Once you join the AICPA you have to undergo a peer review within a certain time period. There is a cost for that too.
It's my opinion that the AICPA is far more interested in focusing its efforts on the large, or national, firm than it is the local practitioner. What clear-thinking group representing CPAs would allow the same set of financial statement criteria cast upon its members who prepare financials for your local Sam The Rag Man business and for GE, Microsoft or any ther giant? I don't think the AICPA gives a hoot about the small CPA. Why haven't they worked their fingers to the bone to insist upon several sets of criteria for financial statements. We all know there is compilation, review and audit, and SEC related but that's not enough. I think its been a disservice to its members. The benefits include the tax checklists (if you join the Tax Section) but you can purchase that anyway. You do get access to a variety of other resources such as the Hotline. If it is strictly a bottom-line profit decision I don't see how the AICPA puts anything to your bottom line. |
21 January 2009 | |
I did not join the AICPA for the first year on my own. In Kansas I was not subject to peer review because I do nothing above a compilation, but if I joined the AICPA they required peer review for everyone. They do have a great insurance program and the rebates can almost pay for your membership, but that doesn't make it a good reason when you're starting out. I agree that the AICPA is focused far beyond the small practitioner and I also believe you can find the educational resources you need in other places for less cost.
Spend your "dues" money where you find the best return in gaining business. |
21 January 2009 | |
Hi Natalie;
My dues are $650 because I have the enhanced payroll service subscription. I do officer payroll and payroll for my smaller clients. QuickBooks also raised the payroll subscription price by $50 this year. My mix is about 70% compilations and 30% tax work. Nance |
21 January 2009 | |
Hi Natalie;
My dues are $650 because I have the enhanced payroll service subscription. I do officer payroll and payroll for my smaller clients. QuickBooks also raised the payroll subscription price by $50 this year. My mix is about 70% compilations and 30% tax work. Nance |
21 January 2009 | |
I'm in Pennsylvania and subject to peer review no matter what. I dropped my membership several years ago when I started my own firm because I didn't feel like I was getting anything for my money. I received some sort of mailer from them trying to get me to rejoin so I thought, "What the hell, I'll call them and see what they have to say". I asked the rep, "other than a magazine, what does my membership get me?" He couldn't identify anything, and by the way I would have to pay dues for all the past years in order to get reinstated. I politely thanked him for his time and hung up. |
January 21, 2009 | |
Taxalmanacer, peer review is not required for all members. Perhaps it is a state law requirement where you live. Peer review can actually be used as a marketing tool.
I agree with the comment about the AICPA focusing on bigger firms. To their credit, they do have the PCPS sub group, but it costs more to join that. They do have some discounts that might be beneficial for members who travel a lot or use the services of the partners they have established relationships with. |
22 June 2011 | |
I just started my own business this year, and these membership dues are starting to filter in. I am beginning to look at them critically for the first time. Since this question was raised a year and a half ago, thought I would see if any other thoughts.
One question I have is: Are there any the negatives or consequences to not joining the AICPA? Just want to make sure make informed decision. |
22 June 2011 | |
That AICPA publication is definitely worth the cost. Great authors in there...who also happen to be very good-looking. ;) |
22 June 2011 | |
I'm a CPA - member of the PICPA, NACVA and ACFE. I dropped my AICPA membership several years ago. I dropped it primarily because I wasn't really using their benefits and their Peer review requirements exceed that required by PA. It was too costly to undergo peer review for the compilation forecasts and other estimate engagements I have with clients. I felt like I should be a member, just because. Then I spoke to several other smaller practitioners and they came to the same conclusion.
I still have insurance benefits through PICPA, product discounts, Class Pass, etc, so I don't see that I lost anything by not being a member. I may re-join if not being in the AICPA becomes an issue, but I doubt that it will. |
22 June 2011 | |
Just so I understand. If you are not a member of the AICPA, what does that mean as far as Peer Review? How about a being a member of the State CPA organization? Does any of this affect the wording you use on your engagements? Since I am only doing compilations want to make sure I clearly understand. Thanks!! |
22 June 2011 | |
In PA peer review requirements are also a part of PA licensing. We can perform compilations without a peer review.
I don't refer to the AICPA, but I do use the report wording & follow their format and other recommendations. |
23 June 2011 | |
Anyone from Michigan? I believe in Michigan you need a peer review even for Compilations and I would assume this is part of licencing. Anyone know for sure? For the small amount of compilations I currently do ( and what I can charge for them), this is a pretty big expense. |
23 June 2011 | |
Have you looked at the Michigan State Board Of Accountancy website, Gtttax23? If you're a CPA, surely you would know that each state has a state board of accountancy (or equivalent). |
23 June 2011 | |
I'm not a CPA in Michigan, but I found the Peer Reveiw FAQ right on their front page. |
24 June 2011 | |
In PA, you can e-mail the state board with your Peer Review questions to determine if an item is subject to peer review. You do not have to be licensed to do so. If you are a member of a state society they will also provide guidance as to whether or not a service is subject to peer review. |
24 June 2011 | |
AICPA membership is total waste of money for small firms, and as my staff tells me whenever I ask, "Should I spend money on this or that?" The reply's always the same: "You've wasted way more money on other worthless things." Gotta love e'm cuz its illegal to kill 'em. |
24 June 2011 | |
I agree with Fletch. I let mine lapse last year because I didn't feel it was worth the money any longer. Sole props are the least of their worries.
I just am a member of the MACPA. After that, I don't think I will join anything else unless someone can convince me there is another membership that's useful out there. Tom |
Ksnoopytax (talk|edits) said: | 25 June 2011 |
I received a 50% off dues postcard in the mail the other day. I still don't see the value in joining though. My partner says that he likes their CPE but besides that, I don't like the idea that I have to pay for all the extra modules in addition to my membership. I'll continue to be a member of my state board but until I understand how I can get value from a membership to the AICPA, I'll continue to pass. Besides, when was the last time ANYONE such as a client or otherwise has asked if you are a member. Even bids for audit work don't ask. |
27 June 2011 | |
I guess I was just asking for peoples experience ( I guess not worded well). I did look at the web site and saw the requirements, tho I do have to admit, I missed the peer review FAQ's the first time I looked. ( my bad! ). This is new to me, being my first year as a sole props, so thought I would ask for thoughts and experiences of others before I contacted the state. As sometimes its the things they dont tell you that are as important as what they do tell you. Also, wanted to make sure I understood what affect not being a member of AICPA had on peer review(ers). Thanks you for your responses. |
12 June 2014 | |
Bump this discussion. Thinking about letting my membership expire as well. Dont see any benefits except for the publication which they dont even deliver to my house anymore unless I call and complain. |