Discussion:Year of divorce-HOH and itemized deduction split
From TaxAlmanac
Discussion Forum Index --> Advanced Tax Questions --> Year of divorce-HOH and itemized deduction split
Discussion Forum Index --> Tax Questions --> Year of divorce-HOH and itemized deduction split
| 21 September 2007 | |
| When calculating HOH status how do determine who gets it in year of divovce?
Facts: Divorce final 8/31. (H)usband and (W)ife lived together until 8/31. Following divorce H gets kids every Tuesday and every other weekend. W willing to give up HOH status to H in divorce year. Can H file HOH. How much discretion is there in dividing the itemized deductions? If H was the only one working in the family and he paid mortgage, etc. payments, and W is OK with giving up 1/2 the deductions up unitl the divorce date, can H claim them all? | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| Assuming the itemized deductions were paid by both, they can be split as the taxpayers agree. If one person paid all (state withholding, for example, or in non-community property states other deductions) then those items obviously shouldn't be split. | |
| September 21, 2007 | |
| Who has custody of the kids? Seems like W, which makes HER the HOH. | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| Ram, could you also please fill out your profile? Some of us know you have made lots of other posts but others may think you are a do-it-yourselfer without a profile. This discourages them from helping you. | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| Profile completed. Sorry for delay. I didn't even know about.
Back to the questions. Wife has custody post divorce and since H was the only worker in the family he paid all the bills. Since the divorce occured late in the tax year W will not have a tax liability and she is willing to allow H to claim 100% of the deductions up till the divorce date since he paid them all from his paycheck. I would like to deduct 100% of the itemized deductions paid until 8/31 on his return. In determining if H had custody of kids > 50% of the year, can I say yes because they did live with him from 1/1 - 8/31 while married? Again, since W has no tax liability she is OK with this and she will file single in divorce year. | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| I don't see a problem with doing that for your client under this specific fact pattern. | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| Let me ask this question. Since the parents are divorced on 12/31 does §152(e) come into play? §152(e)(1) says "Nothwithstanding subsection (c)(1)(B) ... " That subsection is where the residency rule is for a qualifying child. §152(e) then goes on to discuss the requirements for being a qualifying child of the non-custodial parent.
It appears to me that W is the custodial parent as per §152(e)(4) as she was the parent having custody for the greater portion of the calendar year. Does W need to file a Form 8332 to release the exemption for the children? I'm inclined to go this way but others may have a different take or pehaps I'm missing something. | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| In my judgment the wife gets HOH and should execute a 8332 which gives him dependency and child tax credit. | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| Agree with NYEA and Solomon. Husband is non- custodial parent since he has the child in home less than the mother. Therefore he is not eligible for HOH. But he could claim kid as a dependent if ex is willing to sign an 8332. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 21 September 2007 |
| Co-ordinate 152 with Sec. 2(b). Seems to be a conflict in this year of divorce, no other year. | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| DT - from your cite in 2(b):
"(i) a qualifying child of the individual (as defined in section 152(c), determined without regard to section 152(e)..." I had understood that "determined without regard to section 152(e) (the divorced part) meant for HOH in section 2(b) to be applicable, if 152(e) were germane then it would disqualify the individual for HOH under section 2(b). That is to say, it negates the non-custodial for HOH in the year of divorce as well. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 21 September 2007 |
| I agree with you, Solomon, had the two been separated the entire year and if they had separated before the end of June, but they lived together through August and hence both had custody in those months. The Single, HOH, or any other rates are not calculated for only the last four months, but for the entire year. I am more inclined to agree that he cannot gain HOH no matter how much both parties might want this, and your explanation sounds great, but can we really toss the QC factor out the window in making this decision.
So funny how so many basic areas can become complicated. | |
| 21 September 2007 | |
| I am inclined, DT, to think in view of the husband meeting the QC more than six months requirement may give him the dependency (or win the the tie breaker rule in this case if wife contested). At the same time, I can't seem to fit HOH into the equation for him. I recant that the tie breaker rule would give it to him - she had custody longer. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 21 September 2007 |
| I think you are right, Solomon. Filing status is determined as of the last day of the year, and thus for the rules for that status.
Aside: I saw my father's tax return for my year of birth. Either he did not know what he was doing, or rules in those ancient times had you prorate the exemption by the number of months the exemption was an exemption! | |
| 22 September 2007 | |
| Don’t see how the wife could possibly claim the deductions paid from January through August if the husband is the only spouse who works. For the same reason, I don’t see how she can file HOH in the year of divorce (lived with husband for 8 months). | |
| 22 September 2007 | |
| Does not Sec. 7703(a)(1)(2) override the six month rule(b)(3) of 7703 in this case because divorce was final 8/31 - for filing status, not deductions for 8 months.? | |
| 23 September 2007 | |
| Riley 2. Since the divorce was final Dec. 31, the parties are both considered single so HOH in year of divorce should not be a problem even though they lived together for 8 months.
But I did not catch the fact that the wife was not working. So where does that leave us? Should not matter regarding dependent since under the "new" rules taxpayer does not have to provide over 1/2 support - just that child cannot pay over 1/2 support. If wife did not work after husband left than perhaps she did not pay over 1/2 the housing which would disqualify her from HOH status. This is all off the top of my head, I will do more research on Monday when I get back to the office. It is amazing how complicated the "basics" can be! | |
| 24 September 2007 | |
| The question in the original post (regarding filing status) was could the ex-husband file as HOH. That is, the ex-wife is willing to "pass" it on to him. It seems to me Sec. 7703(a)(1)(2) precludes this filing status for him with his non-custodial parent status.
Assuming the wife has income attributable to her from Sept. through Dec. and provides more than half of the cost to maintain a household for the child, she would qualify for HOH status. If she did not meet the aforementioned requirements, then HOH is down the drain for this year. | |
| 24 September 2007 | |
| EZTAX, I see no way for HOH to work for the mother. She did not provide more than one-half of the cost of maintaining the household for the year. In addition, she cannot claim a deduction for itemized deductions paid out of her husband's earnings (even if they were paid out of a joint account). | |


