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Taxea (talk|edits) said:

20 July 2008
Who on this forum would like to see some kind of notation in the creator's list that indicates the creator did not fill out their profile and/or their level of expertise?taxea

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

20 July 2008
TaxEA, the problem is more complex than just that: many DIY'ers google their topic, click a link, and are directed to an old thread here. They then just sign in and append their question to the thread without ever knowing that a profile is requested OR more importantly, that this forum is for professionals. They skip the whole front page of the website, and because they are not asking a new question, never get (strongly) asked to create a profile.

The better solution would be to not allow any post without a profile. Even our long-term quality anonymous posters could write "20 years experience" and be done. I think one profile does say "many years experience" now that I think of it. But then they are not asking questions, they are answering them.

Grammarpolice (talk|edits) said:

20 July 2008
ANONYMOUS

Taxea (talk|edits) said:

21 July 2008
Kevin 5, as usual you're right....I wish they would require a profile...I'm sure that would deter many of the most basic questions...I know one can write a computer program to do anything, just thought if they wrote it to automatically note anyone without a profile it might help...especially during the busy season.taxea

Proptaxguy (talk|edits) said:

21 July 2008
Being one who has not created a profile I don't see the importance of having one filled out. Most of the people using this sight have some level of expertise, and the students and DIY folks stand out pretty quickly. Though some of the users such as myself would not be technically considered a professional for this forum, we can add some insight and I find it very educational and thought provoking at times. Whether I have a profile filled out should have no bearing on whether I can ask a question or not. The question itself should deem whether or not you choose to spend your time reading or responding to it. Just an opinion from the other side.

PHIL MOODY (talk|edits) said:

21 July 2008
I do not think profiles help.

I think the answers given by the poster tell me all I want to know about them. Some I have learned to just skip over. I do not care if they are EA, CPA, CMS, or CGOT.

As far posters asking questions, I can always choose not to read them.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

21 July 2008
Phil, I will have to admit that the quality of the answer does not always follow the credentials of the answerer. Many times people with no designations (but very relevant experience) correct the answers of those who do have more credentials. I remember one H&R Block guy who had a better answer in one thread than the EAs and CPAs who had answered faster.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

21 July 2008
And when we get too high and mighty, we should return to Kevin and others' finest hour, Discussion: Help needed - living with girl friend and her kids Qualifying Child, a question posted by a DIY that led eventually to IRS Notice 2008-5

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

21 July 2008
I'm still working on getting a loophole named after me, DT. But thanks for the kudos.

Inagpurwala (talk|edits) said:

24 July 2008
Completing the profile is not a problem, verifying that poster is in fact a "Tax Professional" is problem.

There should be some "Verifyable" segment in profile page. Since Intuit has created this forum, they can link Custoemr Number (ProSeries and Lacerte) to verify poster is in fact a tax professional. Others who are not Intuit customers, can be linked to EFIN (I am not sure just suggesting) data base. Other pros can now make other suggestion on verification tool.

Ishaq

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

24 July 2008
I would HATE for my number my Practitioner number or my customer number, etc. from linking me to a site that is for profit.

"Professionals" come in all shapes and sizes...from attorney's to EA's to CPA's to preparing tax returns for a fee to the person who uses other software.

Same old, same old....if you don't want to answer, then don't. If a poster gets NO responses by virtue of sounding like a DIY, he/she will go elsewhere. If you answer, then you run the risk that you are answering to a person who is a DIY.

If it comes to being a tax professional site, then it would need to be charging a fee just like other research sites. This site is voluntary and no fees are charged.

So....just ignore the question if it does not appeal to you...my 1 cent worth...hehe

Irsfixer (talk|edits) said:

24 July 2008
What's wrong with the current system of simply ignoring their posts except to make fun of them?

Uncle Sam (talk|edits) said:

24 July 2008
Sandysea expressed EXACTLY why I REFUSE to enter a profile until it is required of EVERYONE posting on this board.

It couldn't have been expressed better. Thanks Sandysea.

But there's such loose control over the usage of this board, that no matter how many times and ways it's expressed nothing is done about it.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

24 July 2008
Nothing WILL be done uncle. I understand and hey...I like this forum so I won't complain too loudly.

This forum then increases advertising revenue, sales of intuit products, etc.

There is a non profit site that we can use for research....irs.gov. If that does not appeal to you, then pay for another site where only the "pros" will access.

I put my profile because I am a "people person"....I like the banter and the friendships I have made here, but should it be required? I think not.

Please for the love of everything....don't answer and just overlook any responses if they trouble you.......

I have an idea!!! Make us ALL pass tests on debits, credits, and any other tests to determine if you are a professional or not. Other than that....live and let live. Who would agree to take a test for a voluntary site? When you ask for proof of professionalism, then essentially you are asking for a "test"....

Man....I remember the day that this place did not have such an attitude against people with no profiles.....guess that went the way of the horse/buggy....hehehehe

Kmikeburns (talk|edits) said:

24 July 2008
Debits and credits? What are those.

Let's see Money comes in on the left and goes out on the right. Or is it the other way around? I do think it is nice to know something about the person who is responding to questions. Thanks to those who have answered mine in the past.

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

24 July 2008
I do think that people should enter something, even just a little bit, say, "20 year tax pro working from home."

Remember, we had one DIY'er who didn't get an answer he liked and started answering questions as an authority. Several answers were incomplete and inaccurate. Several of us got suspicious and I hounded him, then I contacted Tim and he has since disappeared. We also get college kids with homework questions who don't fill out a thing. But we can smell those a mile away.

But, your privacy is your business. If you don't feel like putting anything down, you run the risk of getting ignored, I guess.

Uncle Sam, since you have a great rep, along with many others, you are entitled to a free pass from all of us.

Tom

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

25 July 2008
You got your wish. Check out TTMM profile. He has been in the business for a million years!. I guess he is more qualified than all of us combined.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

25 July 2008
no, he only has 1 year of experience repeated a million times. LOL

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

25 July 2008
I still think the DIYers and the newbies help everyone. Yes, some of their questions should be ignored, but look what DT mentioned as a thread that was posted by a DIYer and look where it lead.

You guys are some seriously smart people and offer a great deal of advice and I like discussing things with you and I do view the forum as sort of an online dysfunctional family, so as I would say to my own real life dysfunctional family, and remember, i say this with all the love available in my heart -

STOP BEING SO DANG ANAL

Get over it guys and gals, don't answer the questions. Sandy is 100% right. Don't like the station, change the channel. How much simpler can it be. Do we just like to whine?

JMHO

Fred

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

25 July 2008
Fred, if I can keep ONE DIYer off of this board, my day is fulfilled. Other DIY types will get the message and leave quietly. Ignoring them is your choice. Chasing them away with a broom is mine. LOL

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

July 25, 2008
How can we help you find a more worthy goal, then? Perhaps sampling a new scotch each day?

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

25 July 2008
See, my point is that sometimes the DIYers actually ask questions that allow us to re-visit areas that we thought we knew, yet someone answers it and even we seasoned professionals learn new things.

It is just as easy to ignore the DIYers as it is to chastise them.

I still have the opinion that once the DIYers are not around to bash, then the newbies are chastised into not asking questions, then it's the next level and eventually no one will have the proper credentials to ask a question and Kevin <you are da man Kev> will be here talking to himself and then the rubber interner chatroom people will be coming looking for him.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

July 25, 2008
And actually, if we think about it, and we NEED TO THINK about it!!!, it just makes them hate us tax pros. We come across as arrogant and uncaring and reclusive. It's not good. We need to be accessible like no other profession. People can't call their docs, attorneys don't return calls, etc. Stop the madness.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

25 July 2008
Let's admit one thing: there are differences between DIY people. Sengag, who posted Kevin's claim to immortality Image:smile.jpg and others would be at the mercy of HRB, JH,Liberty or worse if we ignore them. We only help ourselves when someone takes the time to answer their question [e.g., seems to me we've educated a number of firemen and kept them from going to the instant experts]. In some ways we are educating these people just how complex tax law is.

Then there are the other group: those trying to do it on the cheap, the people who form LLCs or S Corps and want us to practically do the return line by line....the people where the first reponse is 'see a professional.' I see no harm banning 95% of these people.

btw, my clients with a store across from a Liberty franchise say the women in the Statue costumes were being paid under the table by that branch this year.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

25 July 2008
It wouldn't surprise me. John Hewitt knows how to attract others like him.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

26 July 2008
Another post this very day reminds me of another DIY who should not be heard, the one who asks the question then argues the answer, throwing grains of sarcasm in the face of the person who answered.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

27 July 2008
Just my two cents: I dont mind answering questions for DIYers but it helps if they identify themselves as such.

Sorry about the missing apostrophe -- I am in a hotel in Budapest and there is no apostrophe on this Hungarian keyboard!

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

27 July 2008
Budapest? My God Katie, did you miss a connection, or get on the wrong plane in Vegas a little tipsy? I've pulled some benders before, but I only ended up in Little Rock at a cotton exchange convention.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

27 July 2008
Katie, are you working on the Obama campaign. cool for you. lol.

And all we need do is read, and then answer or ignore the poster. If it's a well worded question, answer it, if you don't like it ignore, ir if impulse hits, ridicule, although as JR said, and I do agree, it does tend to make us look like pompous jackasses.

On another topic, went to a wedding yesterday <not my own> and sampled many different beverages. I'm definitely in recuperate mode right now.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
I just got back to the US yesterday from 14 days in Romania, Hungary and Austria. A fantastic trip, but the description belongs on another forum somewhere <G>. I did go there on purpose, however.

The difference between answering a question for a pro or a DIYer is that for the latter you cannot assume much in the way of background -- so I always feel that I need to spell out the details. A fellow pro may only need a suggestion.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
Did you get to drink some real Absinthe in Romaina?, I understand you can still get it there with wormwood.

Taxcurmudgeon (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
My pet peeve, no irritation, is not the blank profiles. DIYers want (maybe need or even deserve) answers, pros should be discussing issues and drawing their own conclusions. It's the pros who don't do any homework at all and ask others to do the work and then collect the fees. It's lazy at least and dishonorable at best. And the DIYers who refer to their clients aren't doing themselves any favors by misrepresenting themselver.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

5 August 2008
Didn't look for absinthe. I was offered (and drank) a lot of palinka, though.

Smokeytax (talk|edits) said:

6 August 2008
Personally, I don't care one way or another if a poster chooses not to fill out their profile. I think by this time we all know the 10-20 participants whose advice we can take to the bank.

But .... I really wouldn't mind if this forum didn't pop up in Google searches, and if instead you had to come to this website to access the forum.

94nole (talk|edits) said:

6 August 2008
Taxcurmudgeon,

I was taught to first ask the question rather than to spin wheels for 3 hours...remember, ours is a business of "billable" hours x bill rate. I think in the old days, it was a badge of honor worn based on the number of hours one spent at the office. Frankly, I enjoy spending time with my kids.

I would much rather someone ask me a question than spend 3 hours of their life needlessly researching, only to then ask the same question. If I am too busy (in the rare case that I know the answer) I won't be here to answer it. So, if you don't have the time to answer or interest in doing so, just press on.

Does the fact that someone spent 3 hours researching make their question any more legit? I would argue that if that person was working for you, especially if on an hourly basis, you'd want them to ask the stupid and simple questions. No? I expect early on in your career, you also had those you could turn to for quick answers. Correct?

Luckily for us, we have the blessing and gift of technology that allows us to gather groups of experts and ask questions of those experts that, just 20 years ago, didn't exist.

When I am presented with a question in my office that I am not totally clear on, one of the first places I turn is the Almanac and do a search. It is rare that won't find info that will help me at least direct me to my answer. If I find a thread that is not right on point but I feel is real close, I will tweek the scenario in a follow up post and will most often get confirmation of what I thought to be so.

I have always said that my goal is to one day deposit more here than I withdraw. My account to date is quite in the red...thanks to the many who have been and continue to be willing to answer a question, that to some, is a simple question needing not be asked.

Taxcurmudgeon, if I can help you or anyone else here to be more profitable by preventing you from spending (3 or more) hours of your life in your office, I would very much be glad to do that.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

6 August 2008
Nole,

That was extremely well said. Not sure what else can be added. The Taxalmanacers that use this regularly have a wealth of knowledge bouncing around inside. Why shouldn't this be the first stop on the research journey? I'd love to be able to read every question and give each one the answer. I'm just not there yet.

Bottom line is to answer those that you wish and ignore the ones you want. If yor personal preference is for them to have profiles and they don't, then ignore them. If you want to answer, I know I totally appreciate it the same way Nole does.

It's a community. And it's an awesome one.

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