Discussion:What is nexus?
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Actionbsns (talk|edits) said: | 25 July 2007 |
| I have to ask this question because all through college, teachers were referring to "empirical data" and I never really new what THAT was, always intended to look it up, never had the time or thought of it at the wrong time, so I always just took it in context.
But I keep hearing about NEXUS, first heard it from the CPA I worked with here, but I don't know what it is and when it comes up in a discussion, I don't really understand it. Sounds like a new hair gel to me, so I'm pretty sure that's wrong. | |
| July 25, 2007 | |
| Too much to tell. Use the yellow search box to the left there...and read all you like. But it's how states determine when you have to file tax returns in their state. | |
| 25 July 2007 | |
| http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nexus
http://m-w.com/dictionary/nexus Nexus = connection. If you have nexus with a state, they can grab you and tax you. If you don't, they can't. Think of it like an electric socket. If you have no nexus it can't shock you, but stick your finger in it and watch your hair curl. | |
Actionbsns (talk|edits) said: | 25 July 2007 |
| Thanks JR and JD - reading some of the things that relate to IRS using the term nexus, I can see where substituting "connection" works well. From the one post I read this morning Washington state must have some stringent rules regarding how Nexus or a connection of business income relates to their state. I'm not clear how a state really makes that decision and it seems to vary with the state. One of the discussions that popped up on the yellow search relates to the use of Nevada corporations, I've seen a few of them here in Hawaii, no income earned in Nevada, no physical presence in Nevada, so no Nexus and no taxes (even though Nevada has no state tax, if you substituted another state, still, no Nexus). Am I right? and the issue would be whether or not the state agreed. | |
Michaelstar (talk|edits) said: | 25 July 2007 |
| Think of Nexus as a connection through physical presence. Without a physical presence - it is hard to have Nexus connected to a state as I understand the concept. | |
| 25 July 2007 | |
| Nexus can be established by an agent, as well as an employee. So a manufacturer in WA hiring a manufacturer's rep in Ohio who travels to IL, IO & IN may well have nexus in all four states due to the activities of the agent (assuming the agent is repping the WA company's products in all four states). | |
Chautauqua (talk|edits) said: | 25 July 2007 |
| I've been using Nexus on my hair for years....is this wrong? | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 25 July 2007 |
| I've always understood Nexus as: when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers play the Seattle Seahawks in Seattle, they have to pay income tax in Washington State because they earned income there. | |
| 26 July 2007 | |
| Luckily for the Buccaneers (my HS mascot, BTW) WA has no income tax. Too bad for our Seahawks, however, because when they go to FL its just like they stuck that finger into the electric socket. Connection gets made, hair gets curled, wallet gets fleeced! | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 26 July 2007 |
| Bad example. Should have used Cincinnati Bengals. Must be a special tax since FL doesn't have income tax either. | |
Www.cpa1.biz (talk|edits) said: | 26 July 2007 |
| Going further on Nexus. I see the situation about the bucaneers playing in seattle. What about if my office in in one state people from all over the country buy stuff from me. Is there nexus there. I mean if someone sells stuff over the Internet from people all over the country, do they have nexus in each state? | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 26 July 2007 |
| My understanding is that if your office is in one state and your only contact with other states is to sell product to be shipped to those states (you never physically enter the other states), you are not considered to be doing business in those states. | |
| July 26, 2007 | |
| Action, there are some companies that get bad advice and set up corporations in Nevada thinking they'll be sheltered from taxes in Hawaii. If they operate out of Hawaii, they pay tax in Hawaii. In addition, although Nevada doesn't have income taxes, they do have things like payroll excise tax, live entertainment tax and of course sales tax. | |
| 26 July 2007 | |
| Nexus has become a much more complex issue due to the internet. Not all that long ago NY won a court case in which a TN resident who telecommuted to his job in NY was found to have NY nexus. The TN resident was ruled to be liable for NY income tax. I think we will be seeing many more of these kinds of disputes. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 26 July 2007 |
| Has NY taken a similar position on alimony paid from NY income earned by a non-resident? Or do I have it backwards, and the State challenged a non-resident's deduction of alimony based on his earnings in NY.....in other words, another form of nexus. | |
| 26 July 2007 | |
| I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that one D&T.
I think you and I (along with many other NJ practitioners) will be hearing more about the telecommuting issues in the next few years. Much like the IT-203 days-working-outside-NY tax notices which went out a few years ago, I suspect NY will try to see how much potential tax is out there from NJ telecommuters. | |
| 26 July 2007 | |
| BJ; you do not have nexus in the other states (generally speaking of course) if you have no PE or physical presence in that state. If they are buying over the internet, and you don't have any agents or employees or have any leased tangible or intellectual property in another state, the state should not require you to file returns. You should however indicate on your invoices (if you are selling taxable goods or services) that the individual in that state is responsible for "use taxes"....protects you a bit from the burden of proof analogy that some states seem to equate.
I.E. Client of mine may NOT have had nexus in a state...sold taxable goods in that state. Initially the revenue agencies will look to the purchaser of the product for the use taxes, but most states indicate that the burden of collection then falls on the seller if the buyer does not pay.....I dealt with this and it is not equitable, but I had 3 states in the US which shifted the burden to the client who did not establish nexus.... | |
| 26 July 2007 | |
| Things will be changing though. Check out the following link at the WA Department of Revenue website: | |
| 26 July 2007 | |
| Wayne, this is going to be a reporting nightmare for a lot of small businesses who will now have to track shipping destinations rather than just reporting by point of origin. | |
CTurner555 (talk|edits) said: | 27 July 2007 |
| Also check out the OH website for the CAT tax - specifically question #31. Sales of $150,000 in a year nexus to Ohio are taxable. This will be a major nightmare for all states. | |
Donniecastleman (talk|edits) said: | 27 July 2007 |
| Nexus or no nexus, this thread got a smile and a chuckle out of me! From this moment on, I hate the Titans! | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 27 July 2007 |
| Just wanted to add a little bit about the TN/NY nexus case.
In that case, the TN resident actually spent ~25% of his time physically present in NY.
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Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 27 July 2007 |
| The Tennessee case turns on him being in Tennessee for his own convenience, not for the convenience of the employer. He had paid NY tax on the days he worked there, but that was not good enough for Albany. Of course, the worse blow is that he has no state tax in Tennessee to take credit against. | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 27 July 2007 |
| So the lesson here is to never take a job from a NY company? | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 27 July 2007 |
| Nexus can be particularly vexing for creative people. Where is a story written that is sold to a magazine published in NY, or if the check is given to the person's agent in New York? We are seeing more expansive interpretations of nexus. Does an artist or sculptor consigning work to a gallery in SOHO create a NYC presence for Nexus. While artists and writers are given special dispensation from IRS regarding inventories, is nexus created here? | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 29 July 2007 |
| And how about this - my husband writes an article in our home in FL. He e-mails it to his publisher in NY who then posts the article on the internet which is read worldwide (KFFL.com). He's never been in NY. The publisher mails a check to our house in FL. As of now, there's no Nexus. But depending upon court cases, this could get out of hand very easily. | |
| 30 July 2007 | |
| "Nexus" is the connection between the state and the entity or activity that allows the state to impose a tax under the due process and commerce clauses of the U.S. Constitution. Until 1992 most of us thought that there was no difference in the nexus standards under due process and commerce. However, in 1992, in the _Quill_ decision, the U.S. Supreme Court made a distinction. Purposeful availment of the market in a state is generally sufficient to create nexus for due process purposes. Under the due process clause, nexus may be considered a proxy for notice -- if your activities with respect to the state are sufficient to put you on notice that you may be subject to the jurisdiction of the state's courts, you have nexus. So, for example, a mail order seller that has no connection with the state other than mailing in catalogs, accepting orders by mail and telephone, and filling the orders by shipping the product from outside the state does have nexus for due process purposes.
However, the Court set a higher standard under the commerce clause. While some earlier cases referred to a "minimal connection" for due process purposes, the 1977 _Complete Auto Transit_ case uses the term "substantial nexus" for commerce clause purposes. The _Quill_ case had to do with use tax collection responsibility, and the Court followed its 1966 _National Bellas Hess_ decision, holding that for use tax collection purposes the commerce clause requires that there be a physical presence in the state in order to have the requisite "substantial nexus." The distinction between due process and commerce clause nexus throws the issue into the lap of Congress. Before _Quill_, it was unclear whether Congress could legislate authority for the states to require remote sellers to collect sales and use taxes on sales shipped into the state. Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce, but Congress cannot legislate away due process. Since systematic exploitation of the market has been held to constitute due process nexus, Congress may, if it wishes, enact legislation authorizing states to require remote sellers to collect use taxes. So far it shows no inclination to do so, however. Whether the physical presence requirement applies to other business activity taxes is an unresolved question. The U.S. Supreme Court recently denied certiorari in two state supreme court cases, one holding that a physical presence IS required, and another holding that it IS NOT required. In every business activity tax case the Court has decided over the years where commerce clause nexus was found to exist, there was a physical presence. However, those are all pre-_Quill_ decisions. Relying on language such as that in the U.S. Supreme Court decision in _Tyler Pipe_ and _National Can_, state courts have held that engaging in activities that help to maintain and exploit the market in a state is enough to create commerce clause nexus even when there is no physical presence. For example, the South Carolina Supreme Court found in _Geoffrey_ (1992, post-Quill) that a Delaware intangible holding company (IHC) that owns the trademarks, trade names, etc. of Toys R Us was subject to South Carolina tax because the use of the intangibles was licensed to TRU stores in South Carolina. Geoffrey had no physical presence in the state. The U.S. Supreme Court denied certiorari in that case. Legislation pending in Congress (the Business Activity Tax Simplification Act, or BATSA) would provide a physical presence requirement for all business activity taxes. Federal legislation (Public Law 86-272, 1959) limits states' authority to impose taxes ON OR MEASURED BY INCOME on out-of-state companies whose activities in the state are limited to solicitation of sales of tangible personal property. Obviously if you have sales personnel located or regularly traveling into the state, you have a physical presence there, and you have due process/commerce clause nexus. However, Public Law 86-272 protects you from net income taxes as long as your personnel in the state don't do anything other than soliciting sales, which are approved outside the state and shipped from outside the state. P.L. 86-272 does not protect a seller from other state taxes, such as use tax collection responsibility, franchise taxes measured by capital stock or net worth, gross receipts taxes (e.g., Washington B&O or Ohio CAT), or employer taxes. Whether the new Texas "margin tax" is subject to 86-272 protection is questionable, although the Texas statute itself says that it is not. A note on New York's screwy "convenience of the employer" rule, at issue in the _Huckaby_ case referred to by Taxref and TinCook: The issue here is not exactly the same as the business "nexus" issue. The rules for individuals are a little bit different, arising from a different line of U.S. Supreme Court jurisprudence. In general, states have the power to tax all of the income of a resident, and all income of nonresidents arising from sources within the state. Generally, states take the position that the source of income from the personal services of an individual is the state where the services are performed. New York takes this a step farther and says, if you work for a NY employer, and you spend ANY time at your NY employer's premises, ALL of your earnings from that employment are from a NY source, unless your services were performed outside NY out of necessity (i.e., they could not, by their nature, have been performed elsewhere) and not for the convenience of either the employer or the employee. (This is colloquially known as the "convenience of the employer" rule.) So Mr. Huckaby, who lived in Tennessee and spent about 25% of his time working at his employer's location in NY and the rest working at his home in Tennessee, was subject to NY tax on 100% of his salary. This was especially painful for Mr. Huckaby because Tennessee does not have a comprehensive individual income tax -- TN only taxes interest and dividend income of residents. He'd have been even worse off, though, if he had lived and worked at home in an income tax state, e.g., California, because while California would have given him credit for the tax he paid to NY on the 25% of his salary that he earned working in NY, he would have received no credit for the tax paid to NY on the other 75% that he earned working in California. So he'd have paid tax to both states on the same income, with no credit relief. The same would be true in many other states. We had high hopes for _Huckaby_ -- the NY regulation has been on the books for many years and was upheld by the NY Court of Appeals (the high court in NY) in the 1970's, but the world has turned a few times since then. However, the Court of Appeals upheld the regulation again, and the U.S. Supreme Court denied cert. So there you are. NY has made some changes in the "convenience of the employer" rule, effective in 2006. Now a day working in a home office can be considered a day working outside NY if the home office is a "bona fide employer office." Determining whether the home office qualifies requires going through a Byzantine series of tests. For details, look at New York Technical Service Bureau Memorandum TSB-M-06(5)I, 05/15/2006. As for creative people: So far, I think the place where the work (writing, painting, sculpting, whatever) takes place is the source of the income. However, if an artist consigns a painting to a dealer in NY, and the NY dealer sells it, it's pretty clear the artist has sold tangible personal property in NY and has NY source income. This is a source issue, not really a nexus issue, although the two are intertwined. | |
| 30 July 2007 | |
| I just read the Huckaby case and am again appalled at the insane laws that taxpayers (and we) must navigate. That New York could arbitrarily come up with a justification for taxing income that, as I understand it, most other states would not tax and should not tax is another example of why I believe the federal government should standardize general, broad brush laws among the states. Make some limits on what they can do, as they did, to some extent, w PL 86-272. I remember a frustrated mid-level practitioner making that statement many years ago when I was fresh out of college, and I have come to agree with him. | |
| 31 July 2007 | |
| BATSA (I could look up the H.R. number if anybody really cares) would extend P.L. 86-272 protection to solicitation of all kinds of sales, not just sales of TPP. It would also require a physical presence to create nexus for all business activity tax purposes, and set fairly high thresholds for what constitutes physical presence. The states are vehemently opposed to it, as well they might be. Coupled with the repeal (or nonexistence, in many states) of sales throwback rules, which business interests have succeeded in enacting in some states and are championing in others, BATSA would create huge amounts of "nowhere" income, i.e., income assigned to states that would be prevented by federal law from taxing it.
The corporate income tax has already eroded as a source of state revenue (due in large part to the activities of folks like me, who have gone around for 25 years restructuring businesses to take advantage of differences in state laws that create planning opportunities) to such an extent that some states have enacted new (actually archaic) kinds of taxes to replace it -- such as the Texas "margin tax" and the Ohio Commercial Activity Tax. However, BATSA would invalidate the broad statutory nexus standards in the Ohio CAT -- which are probably unconstitutional anyway. As far as I know, though, nothing has been proposed that would affect the validity of the New York "convenience of the employer" rule. Sad to say. | |
CorpTaxPro (talk|edits) said: | 29 August 2007 |
| From everything here, you can gather there is no simple definition, except to say it is a point at which a company (or person) is deemed to have enough connection with a jurisdicition to become subject to their laws for tax on income. Since 1986 the findings of PL 86-272 were held to mean that basically there had to be a physical precense material enough to justify being taxed. Basically, own or rent some property there.
Thats been challenged and worked arounf a lot....and now...some States are straightfowardly asking the Supreme Court to revisit the issue and rule taht a financial presence would be enough to give rise to nexus....calling it financial nexus. The lead case has to do with a credit card company, who owns nothing, only solicits business through very broad ads, etc., but has many customers carrying their cards in any State....they argue that the fact the CC biz gets $ from the residents of the State is enough to give it nexus. They very well may win. | |
| 30 August 2007 | |
| P.L. 86-272 really has nothing to do with the "physical presence" issue. A business that has employees or independent contractors regularly soliciting sales of tangible personal property in the state already has a phyiscal presence. P.L. 86-272 bars the state from imposing a net income tax on such a business as long as the activities of the sales personnel are limited to solicitation, as further defined by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1992 Wrigley case.
Many states are asserting jurisdiction to tax out-of-state businesses on an "economic presence" basis, and so far the U.S. Supreme Court has not been willing to stop them. The credit card company case to which CorpTaxPro refers is MBNA National Bank NA v. West Virginia, 640 SE 2d 226 (2006), in which the West Virginia Supreme Court held that the bank that solicited West Virginia residents and issued credit cards to them had due process/commerce clause nexus and is subject to the corporate income tax. The U.S. Supreme Court denied certiorari in that case (Dkt No 06-1228, 6/18/2007). In a very similar case, the Tennessee Supreme Court in 1999 held that an out-of-state credit card issuer did not have nexus because it had no physical presence in the state. J.C. Penney National Bank, 19 SW 3d 831 (1999). The U.S. Supreme Court denied certiorari in that one too (Dkt No 00-2005, 8/3/2000). So, go figure. The Court seems unwillling to tackle the issue. I don't know what they are waiting for; surely they couldn't have found a case with cleaner facts than MBNA. No legal inference can be drawn from the denial of certiorari; it does not imply that the Court approved of the result in the state court. It only means the Court decided, for whatever reasons, not to take the case. So the credit card companies DO have nexus in West Virginia, and DO NOT in Tennessee. Other states will doubtless follow one or the other, but neither decision is controlling in any other state. | |
| 9 May 2008 | |
| A slight variation on the question of nexus: ACME, Inc, an S Corp in state A, has contracts in several states. They hire local (ie, in state A) subcontractors to work these contracts. These contractors work part-time in state A on the projects, and part-time in the destination states. Acme obviously has nexus in all of the states. Would the subcontractor S Corps also have nexus in the other states, even though they are paid all income through ACME? Meaning, does the intermediary step affect nexus? I would think that they still have nexus in any of the states that they work in (physical presence), even though their income is not directly from those states.
Further twist: ACME also hires local contractors to work these out-of-state contracts, but they never leave state A (let's say they are writing software remotely, and communicating it via the internet). Do these subcontractor S Corps have nexus in the states that the software is written for, even though there is no physical presence? | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 9 May 2008 |
| Because, each State's definition of nexus can vary, you need to ask an attorney who has such knowledge, after all nexus is a legal question. Or, Wwtaxes, you could refine your question to specific states. | |
| 9 May 2008 | |
| RDO - The answer was somewhat hypothetical, but I'll get as close as I can with an example. ACME is in MN. They have contracts in lots of states, including CA, IA, KS, TX, and NY. The IA and KS ones are of particular interest, bc they are the ones where the sub works a substantial amount, both in KS or IA, and remotely from MN. The work in the other states is anywhere from 1-8 days in the state (very short seminars). This is just one of the examples, and I don't do ACME's taxes, but I worked for ACME on an unrelated project, and this question has always nagged at me, and a similar situation may come up soon as I have software consultant clients that very well can work remotely. I would have guessed I'd have to find a tax specialist for the specific states, but I'll take your suggestion and look for an attorney as well. | |
| 10 May 2008 | |
| Also, WW try the multi state tax commission in WA. I used this to determine nexus and they have attorney's (paid by our tax dollars) to assist in these areas.
Most states DO have nexus questionnaires and you can remain anonymous when filling them out to make sure you understand the different state requirements. Some states would consider seminars nexus and others will not. Depends on how aggressive they are. | |
| 11 May 2008 | |
| Joyce, I don't think your question is all that complicated, nor do I think you will find any significant variation among states in their interpretation of it. The performance of personal services in a state universally creates nexus there, unless it is below a de minimis threshold established by the state. The subcontractors, as I understand it, are performing services in the "destination" states; as a result, they are universally taxable there, unless protected by a de minimis rule. The "intermediary" step is generally meaningless; as long as the entity itself as a physical presence in the state, it's taxable. It doesn't matter who benefits, directly or indirectly, from the service (except as noted below).
As a practical matter, many contractors work in other states for short periods of time and escape notice. The legal ability of the state to impose the tax is not really in question; it's more a matter of the resources the state devotes to enforcement and the luck of the draw. Also, although the subcontractor clearly has nexus in every state where it performs services, the operation of the apportionment formula may result in little or no taxable income or tax liability. Most states use a variation of the UDITPA three-factor formula of property, payroll and sales. Movable property generally is assigned to the numerator of the property factor on a time basis. Payroll generally goes to the state where the employee is covered for unemployment insurance purposes -- it isn't broken up on the basis of time. Sales of services are generally assigned to the place where the greatest proportion of the income-producing activity occurs; some states would prorate sales of services performed in more than one state on the basis of time. There are a few states that assign sales of services, not to the location where the income-producing activity takes place, but to the place where the benefit of the service is enjoyed -- i.e., not where the work is done, but where the customer is located. Georgia, Ohio, Minnesota and Iowa are states that use this market-based approach to sales of services. The State A subcontractor that performs all of its services in State A generally wouldn't have nexus in any other states; however, the states are getting more aggressive in that area. Ohio, for example, asserts jurisdiction to impose its Commercial Activity Tax (CAT) on any entity that has more than $500,000 of "Ohio taxable sales" in a calendar quarter, or that has more than 25% of its property, payroll OR sales during the year in Ohio. The catch here is that Ohio assigns sales of services, not to the place where the services are performed (or the place where the greatest proportion of the income-producing activity occurs), but to the place where the benefit of the service is enjoyed. Thus a Minnesota contractor, performing all of its services in Minnesota, would be subject to the CAT if more than 25% of its revenue was earned by performing services for Ohio customers, even if it never set foot in Ohio. This statutory provision may not withstand constitutional scrutiny in that extreme case, but a taxpayer may have to go to court to get out of it. Now, if the subcontractor performs its services on behalf of the contractor, who is in Minnesota, and the contractor's customer is in Ohio, I'm not sure where Ohio would source the contractor's receipt ... but you see the issue. | |


