Discussion:Want to get out of the Rat Race, start on my own
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Taxes4ever (talk|edits) said: | 23 June 2007 |
| I would like to eventually open up my own little tax preparation office...should I start with a home based office since I have a corporate day job? I do have a young family.
Can you tell me how you first started out if you were in a similar situation..leaving corporate environment to opening up your own business. Pros/Cons? Can you make a good living just by preparing income tax returns? If not, what other types of (tax) work can you do to supplement income? Some background about myself...I started out in Big 4 preparing individual returns and now I'm in the private sector working in the corporate tax area. Individual returns are more interesting to me than large corporate returns. Also I get more satisfaction with working on 1040's since I get to help people and not companies. Thanks! | |
| 23 June 2007 | |
| Purchase an existing firm. Best way to grow fast and make big bucks in a short time. Many good firms are for sale as old tax preparers start looking into retirement. | |
Taxes4ever (talk|edits) said: | 23 June 2007 |
| I am trying to build funds right now. I'm in my early 30's...and figure now is the best time to start something before its too late. | |
| June 23, 2007 | |
| Get into the marketing/sales side and you'll end up with a lot of clients of your own that your firm won't want, and the skills to go get more when you leave. | |
| 23 June 2007 | |
| The one selling the firm will finance the purchase price over 5 years. The beauty of buying is that you will collect 100% of the purchase price ( with a guarantee) in the first year and only have to pay out 20% plus interest each year for 5 years. Great cash flow. You can also write off most of the purchase price over time. You only need a down payment. We have done it 5 times now and increased out billings over $1,000,000. It works!! | |
| 23 June 2007 | |
| You will find that you never get out of the rat race when you are in business for yourself. You just trade big rats for little ones. And oh boy, you will love being an employer. Employees will quit when you need them the most, require a paycheck all year, even if there is nothing to do, you hate to let them go after they are trained, in your early years they might make as much (or more) than you net. And so on, and so on.
Being a good business owner is not the same as being a good tax professional. Hint for success: what income will you have when it's not tax season? Better have a plan. | |
| 23 June 2007 | |
| "The one selling the firm will finance the purchase price over 5 years. The beauty of buying is that you will collect 100% of the purchase price ( with a guarantee) in the first year and only have to pay out 20% plus interest each year for 5 years. "
Just had that flatly refused. Wanted it all upfront. With no guarantee or adjustment for customers who leave | |
| 23 June 2007 | |
| find another, Gosix. That one isn't a "motivated seller".
I wouldn't have sold this way either. I used PAS when I sold my practice in Georgia and got 80% up front, and the other 20% over 3 years. It was worth the 10% brokerage fee. The buyer got an SBA loan (helped by my broker at PAS). 4ever, you can check out practices for sale at his website: CPASALES.COM (although not all buyers and not all sellers are CPAs) In purchasing a practice, you also have to look at what services the selling practice offers - if you're not into write-up or audits, don't purchase a practice heavy into these. You won't be happy doing work you hate (or can't do), and you will overpay unless you price based only on retained clients. | |
| 24 June 2007 | |
| I started working for myself two years ago after working for a big franchise for two years. The first year was really slow. I doubled my client base the next year.
It's really working for me because I have time to prepare, study, review, and re-review the returns, so I know that they are accurate. My clients love the attention that they are getting (probably it's not going to last forever, if I get really busy). I did so much better the second year because of the referrals and because I now I know what marketing works and what doesn't. | |
Taxes4ever (talk|edits) said: | 24 June 2007 |
| Kevinh5--"Hint for success: what income will you have when it's not tax season? Better have a plan."
I was hoping that if I start something on my own--a busy season will generate an income similar to what I am bringing in currently at my day job. During off season I would be a stay-at-home mom =) But after researching, I feel that I would need to provide other tax services (small business) in order to supplement income. Which I don't mind either. Lalva--I looked into tax franchises but you pay so much in royalties! Can you tell me how you got started (did you incorp, how you got your customers, etc)? I dont mind starting small that way I can test it out before quitting my day job. Thanks! | |
| 24 June 2007 | |
| Quit your regular job. What are you scared about? Confident? Go for it! Work 2 part-time accounting jobs at 2 to 3 days each. When your tax prep hobby becomes a business drop 1 of the part-time jobs and spend more time on your business. After tax season, keep busy with marketing, extension & amended returns and bookkeeping. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 24 June 2007 |
| I began in late May, chose corporate form in those pre-LLC days because the landlord would accept a lease in corporate name, and was fortunate enough to have a client who lent us money, at a rate above prime, but with a long enough payback that my partner and I could afford. Most of our clients followed us from our prior employer; we had time to send mailings, hire an office manager and the like.
Then on Feb 23, 1991, while doing a tax return of a client from Yonkers at 8:30 pm on a Saturday night, we heard fire sirens. A guard told us to get out of the building. 8 floors of the 31 sotry building next door burned; three firemen were killed and we could not get back into our office for 5 days, and had to vacate, working first in the Bellevue Stratford Hotel and then in temporary space the landlord found us. So if we could survive that, and my partner's later discovery that she had MS and had to retire, I think you can do it.....develop a client base working for others and they will follow you. | |
| 24 June 2007 | |
| Hi,
I left my day job after 19 years; it took that long to get the confidence to get out on my own. I left to be home more with my kids, tax seasons were killers. I've only been out on my own for a year, but it's great. I haven't advertised yet, so far it's word of mouth.I sent letters to friends with business cards saying I'm on my own now. My firm has given me the smaller returns they don't want and I get referrals. So far the income isn't as much as the day job, but I expected that. The additional costs are high, such as paying for your own CE, license renewal and research materials. But the costs are worth it to be working from home with my own hours. I have heard, and really hope it's true :-), that you double your client base the next tax season. Also, this site has been a great help. Good luck. | |
| 24 June 2007 | |
| Anne, Ask all your old and new clients who prepares their friend's taxes. Offer a free tax return review during these slow months. Find an error.....you will have a new HAPPY client! Sign em up! | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 24 June 2007 |
| I usually suggest staying where you are and moon-lighting until you're making enough income to meet your expenses. You may have a problem with this since you will be directly competing with your present employer. (Did you sign a non-compete?) Definitely don't go into debt! Several threads here about starting a practice. You'll need another source of income to carry you through non-tax season! | |
| June 24, 2007 | |
| I agree 100% with BL. You need a base to build from, first! So start it PT and do what you have to until you're there. I can't imagine sitting in a room waiting for the phone to ring when it's not going to... | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 24 June 2007 |
| Also look at the time of year you start. If you hang out your shingle now, you'll starve to death before tax season. On the other hand, if you turn in your resignation January 1st, you'll leave your present employer high and dry. May not be the best way to win friends and influence enemies; you may want to get referrals from them (or at least not have them bad mouth you around town). | |
| 24 June 2007 | |
| Taxes4ever,
I didn't explained myself well. I worked for a franchise for two years just to gain experience, I didn't buy one, and I don't recommend that you do that. Then I started from scratch, since I signed up a two year non-compete clause with my employer, so I didn't take any of my very happy clients. I work from home, so my start up costs are not too high, just a laptop, printer, software (Pro-Series), and others. I e-mailed a flyer to all my friends saying that I started my own tax business and I gain a few new clients, then those clients are referring others and, like I said my practice grew 100% the second year. The only marketing that I am doing now is Craigslist.org. The first year I paid to be in some internet search list, and I didn't get any clients from them, also I am paying big bucks (at least I think that's a lot) to be in the yellow pages book. That's going to go too, since it's not working either. My recommendation is that you should start part time before leaving your job, or if you can take your clients with you, just keep your overhead low and grow from there. Good luck! | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 24 June 2007 |
| Carefully consider the pros and cons of working from home. Do you want strangers coming to your house? Will your homeowners association and/or town permit it? Do you have the self-discipline to work as much has you need to but still allow time for yourself? How will your children handle this? I worked from home for a year before realizing that it was "too much husband". (He's a fireman and has two days off for every day worked. Since I was home, he thought I was off too.)
You will be swamped by people wanting you to advertise with them. Be selective. Start with the very minimum and have a system for monitoring the return. I only advertised one year. Didn't get enough business to pay for the ad and none of the clients came back the second year. You may be able to work out an arrangement with your present employer to do sub-contract work for them. Also talk with other CPA's; they're usually looking for help. Don't wait until January to make these contacts though. As you know, during tax season they're too busy to think about it. | |
| 25 June 2007 | |
| Bottom Line is right at some of the disadvantages of working from home. But for me, there is no other choice, since my revenue is too small to keep an office year round. I go to my clients' home to pick up paperwork and then I go again to deliver and explain the return. That limits me a bit since I don't want to drive too far away. On the other hand, some clients moved away (London, Idaho) and I am still doing their taxes, they email me their tax forms and I send them the completed retun.
I only receive clients in my house if they are my friends, for security reasons, and also because my citi doen't let me do it. | |
| June 25, 2007 | |
| I love working at home, but mine isn't a retail tax op, either. I do have a fair number of clients visit me here, but I make a lot of housecalls, so some days I can be out, and some days in. You must have the discipline to work, unless you have no work to do...and it's about personalities and costs. I love being at home. I would hate having to have another 10-15 clients in order to pay for rent and added costs, which means less time for other things. It's a circular problem, adding cost structure, and you need to think that thru carefully. | |
Taxes4ever (talk|edits) said: | 25 June 2007 |
| Thanks for all the input and encouragement!
DZCPA--I like your suggestion. The reason why I am hesitant about quitting my day job is b/c I make a decent salary (IMO) for what I do. I will probably try home-based for the upcoming busy season and if it works out, then work the 1 or 2 part time jobs. BL/Lalva--That is actually my concern about starting home-based...I really don't want to have strangers coming over to the house and at the same time, I don't want to go to their houses either. This will be a problem 4 me...=( Another question...if I start preparing returns at home, is it necessary to form a separate entity? | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 25 June 2007 |
| If you don't want people coming to your house and you don't want to go to theirs, that will be a problem. How will you get the work? Many people are hesitant about using the mail. Email is a possibility but will severely limit your growth. Doing sub-contract work for other preparers may be the answer but you won't make as much money and may have to count on them to get additional info from the client (get an agreement on the contact structure).
You don't say what state you're in. The tax structure of your state needs to be taken into account. That said - GENERALLY I suggest being a sole-P for the first year. This will reduce your paperwork and costs. After you start making money, you can go to an LLC or Corp if that's appropriate. I do suggest opening another checking account. This will help you keep track of your income and expenses. Your local Chamber of Commerce probably has some "starting a new business" info. Get it. You'll need to find out about the local regulations regarding home based businesses and occupational licenses. Also contact your insurance company about liability insurance. Your homeowners policy won't cover this. Talk with your agent about what happens if a client comes to your house and slips on your front porch (may not be covered). | |
Taxes4ever (talk|edits) said: | 25 June 2007 |
| I live in NYC. Since I am only starting it on the side, I will prepare friend's returns and hopefully they will refer people to me as well. I know someone who will also subcontract returns to me since she is in another line of business. I don't mind starting slow before I take the leap. So it is okay to being Sole -P in the beginning? That would make things alot easier. I will look into getting proper permits for starting home-based biz. If I don't plan on meeting people at home but at lets say my friend's office, do I still need to look into liability insurance? Thanks! | |
| 25 June 2007 | |
| As for office space, if you don't want people coming into your home, think about renting a time-share office space or conference room facility. Not as expensive as a full-blown office, but as with everything, has advantages and disadvantages (provides a more professional setting I would say, but it might be limited in hours you want, etc.) Location is important too...especially for clients relying on public transportation. | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 25 June 2007 |
| The liability insurance will cover you if someone says you gave them bad advice so I'd recommend getting it. Since I'm in FL, I don't know anything about NYC. There have been several threads here that talked about NY and NYC taxes. Do a search for New York and you'll probably find something to help. Yes - I'd definitely recommend being a Sole-P (assuming that NY and NYC taxes aren't overly punitive which I would doubt). Even if you're using a friend's office, get something in writing about how much you're going to pay and what hours you have access. A cell phone makes you more accessible but doesn't give you a yellow pages presence. I don't advertise in the yellow pages but have gotten some calls from the one line entry they give simply for having a business phone. (Of course a business line is an additional expense.) | |
| 25 June 2007 | |
| 1) Working for yourself will not get you out of the Rat Race - it's just a different Rat Race!
2) If you do complex tax returns, instead of just easy tax returns, you will have plenty of work after tax season preparing returns that you had to file extensions for. I do just as many tax returns July to Oct 15th as I do Jan to Apr 15th and make just as much money during that time. | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 25 June 2007 |
| I also have clients that don't care if they're extended. Helps smooth out the work load | |
Taxes4ever (talk|edits) said: | 25 June 2007 |
| Worst case scenario--If I get sued for anything--Will having professional liability insurance be enough to protect me and my assets as a sole-P? That is a concern of mine. | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 25 June 2007 |
| That's a question for an attorney. Depends upon your state laws and your personal assets. And just because your business is a corp or an LLC, doesn't mean that you can't be sued personally. | |
| 25 June 2007 | |
| I work full time for a CPA firm and have my own business as well (we serve differant demographics). I would recommend, during slow season, to look into Quickbooks Consulting (the Proadvisor certification is not hard or expensive). Too many people spend a couple hundred bucks and think "instant accountant" and then find that they do not have a clue on how to do the simplest things. There seems to be plenty of bookkeeping work also during the off season. There are several good books about starting up your own tax consultancy/accounting business you can get that have some good ideas. Craigslist is a good place to advertise but also join some professional orgs and you can get your name in some databases (like the QB Proadvisor site). I have got clients from all those areas. I find that it is easier to deal with returning clients either over the internet or a coffee shop quick interview. For new clients I usually will make a house call (there is so much good technology you can be fairly portable) if possible.
The skills you possess as a tax professional are usually easy to transfer to other areas. | |


