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Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

16 June 2008
The banner ad this morning is for upgrading Microsoft Office which I did a few months ago. I thought it would be a good idea because the version I was using was from 2002 or something. Excel doesn't seem to be a problem, but Word has some really irritating features. It seems to be in charge of the spacing for my new documents and no matter what I do the program wants to use space and half or something that looks equivalent to that. It's called single spacing, but when I open a document I've used many times before, a one page document now becomes a two page document. After getting REALLY angry at it one day, I waited until I calmed down, then tried reading in the help docs. Seems this is the new wave of the future and someone with an inflated sense of ego has built it into the program because "most" people want it that way. On one of my computer's I've been able to tell it to use the old formatting and sometimes it works and sometimes not. The other computer doesn't seem to be affected so much.

Just a thought for the day, be careful of software upgrades you may get what you dont't want.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 16, 2008
Ah, yes, I learned not to auto upgrade a while ago. In order to get the single spacing, you need to go to format/paragraph and make sure it has "0 pt" on "before" and "after." My new documents come up single spaced. I'm not sure how to set that as a preference. The place I usually run into the 1.5 spacing is email replies.

Lhhesscpa (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2008
Natalie, you can create default settings in Word, including the spacing you're describing, by setting the specifications in the blank document and saving it as a template called normal.dot in the Templates folder. On my system the path to this folder is

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Templates

-- Larry Hess, CPA | Albuquerque, NM | Talk to me

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2008
One thing that amazes me about Microsoft and the others is that they think we have all day to tinker with our computers. It's a tool to me, period, it's not my avocation. Sometimes I feel like offering to pay them not to do anything for 5 years, just leave me alone. Most of the time, the new stuff is bull, unnecessary bells and whistles that take up my time. I don't like the new Adobe either.

And, since I'm venting: I've stopped going to the Abcnews website. They have added so many bells and whistles (including ads now) that it appears to be about everything but news.

Lhhesscpa (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2008
JD, why not pay someone else to teach you how to get the most out of the tool?

Sometimes I feel like offering to pay them not to do anything for 5 years

If you mean MS, they really don't do anything for much longer. I believe WinXP was first copyrighted in 1991. -- Larry Hess, CPA | Albuquerque, NM | Talk to me

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2008
Is MS listening to it's customers? I guess they think they are. Frankly, if I investigated anything, it would be along the lines of how I could give them feedback. I've probably missed that along the way too.

Action hit the nail on the head with the word "ego". It's a sort of presumption that they are going to guide me with their "kind" hand. Like the cash registers at McDonalds where you don't have to know anything but the number of the food item "I'll have a no 4", ok, press 4.

A lot of businesses are not so document intensive as I am, so maybe it works for them. Or, they are creating "cute" documents. I need good old standard documents. Essentially the same way I learned to type in highschool on a manual, very conservative formats. I certainly don't want my single spacing changed, or to have to create anything to be able to get it. Again, I'll knuckle under I guess, though I must not have downloaded that upgrade because I don't recall having that problem.

On the subject of XP, I thought it was dumbed down as a way of being "helpful". Imagine my terror at the arrival of Vista.

Not meaning to vent at you Larry. I am sure there are some (many) labor saving features I am not using. I do have some thick books around here, but I often find they bring on a good snooze.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 17, 2008
Thanks Larry. My normal.dot file has a life of its own I think. Sometimes it just changes, and I have no idea why. And now when I want to change it, it is not in the template file as you have indicated.

Crow, I bet most people don't even use 50% of the features in most of their software. By the way, did they really have typewriters available when you were in high school?

Lhhesscpa (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2008
Crow, I didn't take it that way. I am proud to have been able to help open your vent a little more. Incidentally, when word processors came out, as an accountant, I was thankful to have the ability to format columnar material much more easily and as a writer who incessantly edits, word wrap was a godsend.

Natalie, there's an option in Word to save changes to normal.dot or not. -- Larry Hess, CPA | Albuquerque, NM | Talk to me

BTW, like Crow, I learned to type in high school on a manual typewriter. I don't really remember in which grade. I'll have to ask the nurse.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 17, 2008
Riley? Do you mean Crow?

Picky

Belle (talk|edits) said:

June 17, 2008
hmmmmm Maybe he's on to something...

Nexium

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 17, 2008
Just checking Larry. There is great mystery surrounding Riley, and we thought you might know something we don't.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2008
No, Crow is not Riley. It was an innocent mistake.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 17, 2008
Actually, I knew that Crow. You guys are at opposite spectrums when it comes to your writing. If you had been Riley, it would have come out long ago.

Corptaxhelp (talk|edits) said:

June 18, 2008
Just say 'no' to technology upgrades.

My cell phone has more computing power than the entire world did prior to 1972. My laptop has more computing power than the entire world combined prior to 1983 -- and that includes the top secret government computers that we're not supposed to know about. A current model high-end video card -- not the entire desktop, just the video card -- can out perform any supercomputer from 2001 or earlier.

I don't need any more power. I don't need any more features. If I had a dream, it would be to go back to 1991's level of technology and use DOS-based Xywrite for my word processing. Quattro Pro coming to Windows in 1992 was the last time I was excited about new features in a spreadsheet.

Microsoft Vista is a bloated five-legged pig. XP forever, baby!

And while I'm being cranky, you damn kids better stay off of my lawn or I'll spray you with my hose.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 18, 2008
Corp, I'll send my boys over right away. They light being sprayed with the hose.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

18 June 2008
Child abuse?

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 18, 2008
DZ, what are you talking about? My boys like to be sprayed with the water hose.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

19 June 2008
Oh, I thought "no tech" Corptaxhelp uses thoses old fashion firehoses with the narrow spray attachments. That will remove the bronze tans right off of your little hawaiian boys body.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 19, 2008
I hadn't even thought about that DZ. So Corp, what is it -- regular garden hose or firehose set to stun?

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

19 June 2008
For those wondering about such mundane things, I saw recently many developers have not embraced Vista as Microsoft would like:

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=208700150

Microsoft wants to pull the plug on XP but it better rethink that strategy.

Corp, I don't know if this is true anymore, but I heard it said once your desktop has more computing power than the Space Shuttle. That was as of I believe the late '90's.

By the way, how often do you upgrade your Microsoft software and how much do you spend?

Tom

Corptaxhelp (talk|edits) said:

June 19, 2008
[off topic shuttle rant and geek fest]

No doubt, Tom. Given that the space shuttle was built in the mid-1970s and based on 1960s and early 1970s technology, I'm sure my computer has more power than the space shuttle.

The shuttle's primary flight computer runs at 1.2 million instructions per second (MIPS). If you bought a mid-grade desktop computer last year, you'd have about 18 MIPS at your disposal -- 15 times the power of the shuttle's computer. (If you buy an Intel Dual Core Extreme chip today, you'd have 60 MIPS to play solitaire -- 50 times the power of the space shuttle.)

The iPod an astronaut brings aboard the shuttle so he can jam-out to Winger has more power than the flight computer, a magnitude more memory and substantially more storage.

The newest shuttle, Endeavour, was first flown in 1992. Ain't no one here using a 16-year-old computer. I'd be surprised if someone here is driving a 16-year-old car.

Yet, there is a waiting list of people willing to pay to travel well in excess the speed of sound into a sub-zero-degree vacuum aboard a vehicle where one in every 64 trips leads to catastrophic failure and certain death.

No, thanks. Not me.


XP: It'll be around for a few more years. Microsoft wants it gone but makes more money from XP than Vista so they can't pull the plug. XP is still the operating system of choice for low-end desktops and, much more importantly, non-laptop mobile devices. (Vista will never run on your smart phone or PDA but XP will in a modified form.) In order to be able to sell a $300$400 computer, XP must exist. Vista won't run on that hardware. If XP was gone, Linux would start coming pre-installed so that hardware companies could sell barebone PCs. That scares Microsoft.

Software upgrades: I buy an operating system, office suite and other applications when I buy the computer. Except for Virus protection and specialized tax software, I don't upgrade. There simply isn't any reason. Apply the latest patches as provided by Microsoft and let it roll. The software will easily last the three to five years the computer lasts. I see no reason to upset the apple cart mid-cycle.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 19, 2008
Very interesting Corp.

I'm not sure if I should admit my husband's car is 19 years old, and my computer just passed the five-year mark.

Corptaxhelp (talk|edits) said:

June 19, 2008
My lord, Natalie... did you really pull a century on that bike with the tag along? You must have legs of steel.

I was about to ask how many laps of the island it took to get in a hundred miles but then I looked at a map... Hawaii is a lot bigger than I remembered.

After several years of doing metrics, I did my first century last December. My father and I rode all the way across the state of Florida. Of course, we did it without the tailgater you had and on much lighter road bikes. I have all but comitted to doing the Memphis, TN FedEx "Rock-n-Roll" MS 150 in September.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 19, 2008
The Century Ride here is broken down into various segments. My boys and I went 25 miles -- Kapiolani Park to Sandy Beach and back. I'm proud to say that we made it up Heartbreak Hill without stopping and passed plenty of people along the way. This fall my oldest will go for 10 miles by himself on his bike, and my youngest son and I will go for 40.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

20 June 2008
Good grief Natalie and Corp!!!My knees ache just thinking about someone riding a bike that many miles!!

I bought a new laptop this past Christmas, it came with Vista, but I had it removed and XP installed. We have a little personal lap top with Vista and my husband is alway cranking at it, so I didn't want it in the office and a lot of my software wouldn't work on it anyway, and I wouldn't have been able to link my computers if they were on two different operating systems. These software people are going to have to listen to us poor end users, we may very well end up to be non users instead.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

June 20, 2008
Action - My computer guru though doing what you did might generate some 'hardware' incompatability issues. Can I assume you've not had any problems? I just got a new Dell; they were pushing the (supposed) mid-June date as the latest you could order one with XP. I'm set for at least a year...but even this time next year I have doubts that Vista is anything I'd want to deal with. It'd be nice to know we could still order new computers, and just make Vista go away...

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 20, 2008
Belle, even with XP, I had an issue with my HP printer. There was an update, and after that my HP would not open up properly. Luckily I found a work around. I imagine there will be enough people in the XP/new hardware group that work arounds will be found for other things.

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