Discussion:To amend or Not to amend

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Meyerbooya (talk|edits) said:

7 November 2007
This is the question today. 1120S prepared and reported by unknowledgable tax "person" for 2005 and 2006 (this is when the election was made). Husband and wife are equal shareholders. Anyway, LOTS of issues with the return and main ones are as follows:

2005: $50,000 loss the first year and instead of calculating their basis to determine proper loss to be reported, it was reported as a PASSIVE loss. (Again, this is just the start of the issues). The other issue is this - where she received her numbers from is an absolute mystery.

2006: $50,000 PASSIVE loss is, of course, carried forward. The corp makes a profit and the "person" offsets the income from the K-1 with the PASSIVE loss she reported the year prior. To make things worse, no wages were taken by the shareholders as employees (meaning no W-2s and they had no other employees) and she took a deduction for Compensation to Officers, which it appears is approximately 2/3 of the amount of their distributions. And, again, the numbers are not matching.

My question is this: I know the tax returns are incorrect. The basis has NOT been maintained. This person also, even though it was not necessary, reported the Balance Sheet and M-2 on the tax return showing the negative retained earnings and a small amount of distributions. The cost for me doing the amendments will cost the taxpayers. The taxpayers MAY have taxes that need to be paid or they MAY not depending on what their basis was in the company and how much of the loss could have been carried forward - don't know until the information provided in the returns is verified and recalculated. WHAT DO I ADVISE? My thoughts are amendment so that we are on the right track with their basis, etc., for the years to come and the returns are correct. However, for the client's, their issue is the cost benefit.

HELP!!!!!

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

November 7, 2007
There's not even a question. You must start over. First off, they CANNOT elect S on the returns. Did they file the 2553 and do they have the acceptance letter? DO NOT REPEAT DO NOT proceed until you are satisfied that they will be treated as an S by the service. Only then, redo the 05 corp and personal, and include the officer comp amount on a Sch. C so that the income and SE are properly included. Ditto for 06.

Meyerbooya (talk|edits) said:

7 November 2007
Yes - I have the acceptance letter. First thing I asked for before even accepting the engagement. Thanks. I completely agree, just needed another person to say - YES. Moral support you know.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

November 7, 2007
Yeah, I know...

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

7 November 2007
if you have all years of K-1s and balance sheets, can't you come up with shareholder's basis at end of 2006 year?

Dplemmo (talk|edits) said:

7 November 2007
May be able to file a late 2553 electing S Corp treatment. See Rev Proc 2003-43

Meyerbooya (talk|edits) said:

7 November 2007
Kevinh5: My problem with using those K-1s and Balance Sheets is the fact that the numbers are incorrect, or appear to be as they do not jive with the accounting history. Also what has not been set into place is how much they contributed to the company. While I CAN keep this as a separate basis schedule for the shareholders, it is NOT shown on the return.

Chilli2007 (talk|edits) said:

7 November 2007
If client has missed the payroll setup for 2006, issuing 1099-misc compensation to shareholders is a solution. Also put the wording like 'compensation reported on 1099' on 1120S. My company did that for some S corp. clients, so far nobody questioned that. Your client should set up payroll for 2007.

Meyerbooya (talk|edits) said:

7 November 2007
Correct for 2006 - I don't think a 1099 needs to be issued though. (I may be wrong here) In the past, I have just reported the wages on a Schedule C and began reporting correctly the year following. Thoughts?

As far as the payroll, yes, we will be setting this up. Biggest problem is the end of the tax year is dooming upon them and I have just met with them. It is soooo fun when clients do this and then get, a little upset, when you tell them they will probably have to pay more than what they thought.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

November 7, 2007
Agree. Just did one, in fact! Well, reassure them that this mess will be over soon and it'll be smooth and legal sailing from here on, and no worries of gov't agents shining flashlights into their windows at night.

Chilli2007 (talk|edits) said:

7 November 2007
If you have no problem in the past, it's fine. I would like to report it to IRS if it's not past filing due date. Once it's past due date, most likely I will do the same thing as you, if client does not want to pay the late filing penalty.

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