Discussion:Tax implications for business that owns aircraft
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| 11 October 2007 | |
| I have a client who is the owner of an S Corp. He sells medical supplies and he wants to purchase a plane so that he can use it to travel to see clients and make sales calls. He'll probably also use it for some personal travel. I have been trying to find some info on the IRS site about any special rules associated with deductibility of this purchase. Also, I'm wondering if there are any caveats that I should advise my client about. We're in Oklahoma and I assume there are some state tax implications also but I haven't gotten to that yet. Anyway, I assume the same rules apply to the plan as they would if he purchased a car as a business asset. Depreciate over 5 years, expense the cost of fuel, insurance, prorate the expenses by the business use portion, etc. Would there be any reason to set up a separate LLC and have the S corp lease the plane from teh LLC? Any advice or resources to direct me to on this one would be appreciated. Thank you. | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 11 October 2007 |
| Don't forget that the plane is listed property. You might also have some 45.0 Air Transport 7 year MACRS property to deal with.
Is the plane an ordinary and neccessary expense? Documenting business purpose and use are very very important in this case. You might also have problems with Sec 274 if the plane can in anyway be considered a "facility used in connection with entertainment." There are also large hobby v business issues too. I think in general you'd want to avoid rentals of personal type property. | |
| October 11, 2007 | |
| If they crash, I expect the crashee could bankrupt the S Corp. That could be a reason to put it in an LLC and lease it to the S. Check with an attorney.
As TinCook says, the flight log is key; keep very detailed records of personal & entertainment use vs. business use. A client purchased an aircraft several years ago and there was some legal way they could avoid sales tax by taking delivery in a neighboring state. In Texas, there is a sales tax exemption for aircraft purchased in another state and brought into Texas for commercial use. You might check the rules in OK to see if you have some sort of similar exemption. There's a good summary of rules here: [1] | |
| 11 October 2007 | |
| Solo flight would of course not trigger 274 entertainment, nor would flying a client to a place to do further business. A neat flight for even a business meal, yes.
An LLC (or corp) will not serve any purpose liability-wise, because the pilot of aircraft is responsible not to be negligent. Its only advantage would be where others fly the plane, such as an employee or co-owner. An airplane mechanic might fly it now and then, and nothing wrong with said person flight-testing his own wrench work. However, a pax would not be aboard, and any property damage would be covered by insurance (unless he destroyed a business jet on the ramp). The advantage of owning it personally is an accountable plan. If not that fancy an airplane, the GSA reimbursement rate of $1.07/statute mile might cover costs, with no accounting to be done. Technically, we can't use the GSA rate, but IRS workers and Tax Court Judges are reimbursed that way, so it's hard to imagine IRS raising the issue. If they did, do the accounting for them. They'll balk at a 1040 refund if it comes out more than $1.07, converting hours to miles. Otherwise, a cost computation is same as 2106, except hours instead of miles. We can compute a projected annual per-hour cost, and cut checks to employee who turns in flight hours. Periodically, and at least near year-end, do the actual computation and settle up on reimbursement. These days "ordinary and necessary" shouldn't be a problem, unless this thing is like a King Air 200 twin turboprop. Unless we travel mainly between big cities. Like, for me to go to a small place in PA on my preferred carrier, but it also means their code-share partners too, the time and cost is laughable. One hour drive to Cleveland, fly to Detroit, then plane change to Pittsburgh, then a little Saab 340 to destination. Takes most of the day. To go there in my slowish airplane is less than an hour. When I flew the plane for IRS to Cincy as a common place to go, I could beat American Airlines. This was due to their schedule then before Cincy was a huge hub, and also the fact they spend too much of the flight below 10,000, where FAA limits your speed. Tortoise and hare. Add 9/11 and current flight-delay issues, one's advantage in private aircraft travel can extend to 400-mile trips, even at a lowly 120 knots. | |
| 11 October 2007 | |
| This is not my area of expertise. Go to www.aviation-cpa.com, Jed Wolcott has several guides on how to approach this issue. In addition to addressing the IRS issues, the guide discusses the FAA issues. | |
| 11 October 2007 | |
| Re the above web site, things like SIFL rules don't apply to the poster's case. Unless one foolishly sets it up that way via a corp. Where you have a 100% corp and S/H doing the flying, it's just a vehicle for solo transportation. 'Cept your tires and wheel bearings is most happy to be aloft. | |
| 11 October 2007 | |
| I'm just getting the various permutations of the auto deduction down pat; I guess a Mercedes doesn't cut it anymore. Can I be the first to put a magnetic sign on the hatch of my plane? | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 11 October 2007 |
| Get one of those trailing banners instead. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 11 October 2007 |
| I have a successful writer/novelist who lives in a remote place. He was talked into buying a $550,000 jet, signing the deal in late 2004 but not taking possession until spring 2005. First he found that the airstrip on the island where he lives had too short a runway to land and take off safely. He bought a second smaller plane to reach the mainland. He used the jet on two trips, to find and talk to the subject of his next novel.
He made two business trips and that was all, both to track down the subject of his next novel. On both trips the plane iced up; he put it up for sale and finally unloaded it this year at 425K. The smaller plane is for sale, and is not used. He has 90K invested in it. As he said to me, "I must have been out of my freakin' mind; if I ever ask about an airplane again, shoot me.' I realize the OP's question is different, but this moral, to think twice before buying a plane, is still a good one. The key case for ordinary and necessary is Robert Noyce, one of the founders of Intel. | |
| 11 October 2007 | |
| I don't know if anyone caught that picture of John Travolta's spread down in Florida when it was on the web. He lives in one of those neighborhoods where you can literally taxi to your home: the planes are parked on premises. Planes? He had two, one could fill in for Delta in a pinch. He's a comitted "green", of course, and burns more petrochemicals getting out of his driveway than I would in two lifetimes. Do a web search for "john travolta house" if you care to see it. Sorry for the off subject comment, but I does remind me of a comment by Scott Fitzgerald. | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 11 October 2007 |
| More on the ordinary necessary issue here:
"...On the other hand, the Tax Court and other federal courts have disallowed aircraft expenditures in cases where it was possible to reproduce the executive's schedule on commercial airlines with little or no impact on productivity, where the costs of aircraft use are unreasonable in relation to alternatives, or where the localized nature of a business and the aircraft's infrequent use makes it unlikely that the aircraft would add value to the company. The key to achieving deductibility, in this area, is to build the strongest case possible for the aircraft as a contributor to bottom line profitability. It may also help to gather intelligence on what competitors are doing with their aircraft. Such information could be used to support the argument that the aircraft use is “ordinary.”..." -Keith G. Swirsky, MAXIMIZING FEDERAL TAX DEDUCTIBILITY OF AIRCRAFT OPERATING EXPENSES available [here] | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 11 October 2007 |
| And once again, read Noyce v. Commissioner, 97 TC 670 (1991). It is especially relevant when it comes to the issue of ordinary and necessary. | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 12 October 2007 |
| Not disagreeing with you, just adding to the flip side of the coin. Noyce v. Commissioner, 97 TC 670 (1991) if anybody needs the link. | |
| 12 October 2007 | |
| Along with the Federal implications be sure that the State Aircraft Tax has been paid if your state has this tax. The Commonwealth of Virginia appointed a tax auditor to work just aircraft tax as many were slipping through the cracks. A Huge deal when your talking about a 20 million dollar jet and still a big deal when your talking a 400 thousand turbo prop....not to mention penalties and interest. | |
| 12 October 2007 | |
| "Get one of those trailing banners instead."
As long as you got the horsepower to give an extra 10# of thrust draggin' a 100# worth of banner drag in a pickup on the edge of a stall. FAA grants banner draggers "Restricted Cert" for the operation but not the brass in the genitalia. A banner pickup is a true sight to behold. I know O/T, but a banner-tow guy I know was doing two banners w/o his ground crew, so I helped him set both up for pickup. One was for a festival installing a new Pastor at the nearby Catholic Church. "WELCOME FATHER JOHN." The other was to banner-drop and do a pickup -- he was good enough to do a drop and pickup in one pass over the grass adjacent the runway -- for a local rock group to fly over the joints in the riverside "flats" of Cleveland, announcing "THREE PENNY PUSSY" and where there. He missed his first and 2nd pass with grappling hook many feet behind him, easy to do but rare for him. So probably embarrassed and a little nervous. On 3rd pass, he picks up, headin' southeast for the Church. The urge was just too much, and I went to my plane and on the bird's radio, told him "You picked up the wrong banner!" As gosh is my witness, a true story. | |
Phil Moody (talk|edits) said: | 12 October 2007 |
| Be careful about putting the aircraft in an LLC then leasing. This is not an auto, and it is governed by the FAA.
In a nut shell, when you start leasing, or charging for flights, you go from one section of the FAA rules to COMMERCIAL. I have been told that compliance with commercial certifications are very expensive. The last one we were involved with, we had to retain a very expensive aviation attorney in a nearby big city to help structure the deal. | |
| 12 October 2007 | |
| FAA's problem is where you furnish the aircraft and the pilot, and hold out to provide air transportation to outsiders. This falls under the strict air taxi rules. In poster's case, whether via LLC or not, we would be leasing to self and thus paying self to fly it. If it were otherwise, FAA workers would be in violation, where they are reimbursed to fly the privately-owned plane and transport a coworker somewhere on same FAA business. What we cannot do w/o the air taxi cert is accept money from anybody to fly our customer somewhere for purpose other than our business.
Flying solo can never violate any FAA rule in this regard, even if our leasing corp gives us a big W-2 to be the pilot. | |
Phil Moody (talk|edits) said: | 12 October 2007 |
| Yea, I know. The problem is (according to aviation atty) is that the LLC typically has no "business" other than the airplane. The LLC does not have any "customers" except you; your customers are not automatically "customers" of the LLC.
This will all come out when you purchase the proper insurance for the plane. That is if you answer all the questions correctly on the insurance application. The consequence of course is that in the event the plane falls out of the air, and quesitons are not answered correctly, and you have not followed the FAA rules, bingo, no insurance. The one thing the atty struck home with us was, he did not give a rats assts about the income tax consequence, if the entites were all one big happy family, if the same person owned this entity or that entity, or even which entity the pilot worked for, or if the pilot was an independent contractor, he did know who he could sue, and what records to prove his case. We are not attorneys, that is why our client relied upon their advice. | |
| 12 October 2007 | |
| Phil, I would generally agree with paragraph 3, especially if the company holding the plane was a corp. You could probably pierce the corporate veil easily, and you always add as many defendants as you can (I'd be malpractice not to). However, the LLC has an interesting aspect which is my understanding that it's harder in these entities to pierce the veil to reach the individuals directly. So that could be a positive for the LLC structure if you're a member. A negative of the LLC, that I wonder if most people consider, is that it is permissible for an LLC member to appropriate related business opportunities without offering them first to the LLC. With a corporation, there is a duty for a shareholder to offer these business opportunities to the corp. first. Check your state law, of course. This should definitely be addressed in the LLC OA. LLC's have quirks for sure: only born in 1987? The corporation has been around since before Sir Walter Raleigh... | |


