Discussion:Sole Proprietor to S corp election
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| 23 September 2008 | |
| I have a client who has a business (MO LLC) for many years under schedule C as sole prop..now he wants to get a partner and wants to keep the same EIN number...I suggested that he can elect to be treated as S corp by making an election with IRS (from 2553)...when do we need to file for 2553 form? do we file now or wait till tax filing for 2008...any suggestions... | |
| 23 September 2008 | |
| He should make the election by the 15th day of the third month following the desired effective date of the election. | |
| 3 October 2008 | |
| Does that mean that if he wants it for 2008, it is too late..I thought that he can do it till March 15th (tax due date)for the previous year.. | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 3 October 2008 |
| "Section 1362(b)(1) provides that the corporation may make an election to be treated as an S corporation
Agree with Riley, just added what I hope is clarification.
(B) at any time during the taxable year and on or before the 15th day of the 3rd month of the taxable year.<--- March 15, for an 2008 election Under section 1362(b)(3), if an S corporation election is made for a taxable year after the 15th day of the 3rd month (March 15, 2008) of that taxable year and on or before the 15th day of the 3rd month March 15, 2009) of the following taxable year, then the S corporation election is treated as made for the following taxable year." Year 2009 is that following year. | |
Beangrinder (talk|edits) said: | 3 October 2008 |
| If you miss the eadline, you still have six months more to make the election. At the top of Form 2553, you write "Filed Pursuant to Rev. Proc. 2004-48."
I would wait until 2008 and in the meantime start acting like an s corp.. | |
| 3 October 2008 | |
| How do you treat the depreciable assets moving from a Sch C to Sub S corporation? Do they move over net of depreciation? | |
Actionbsns (talk|edits) said: | 3 October 2008 |
| CPA Plus that's a good question and I have a client who is going to need it answered by the end of the year. I wasn't planning on changing the financial statements, since he is now a SMLLC, with a full and accurate set of books. His election is to be taxed as an S Corp, but I don't think it will impact our financials or the assets because he's been a LLC all along. The ownership of the assets hasn't changed, just the method of taxation. I'm hoping someone with more knowlege than me will jump in here to enhance this discussion. | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 3 October 2008 |
| I would guess in the sme manner as a Sec 351 transfer. | |
Actionbsns (talk|edits) said: | 4 October 2008 |
| OK, I researched Section 351 and now I have a couple more questions. On a prior post someone posted what they thought the statement to attach to the tax returns needed to be, but it wasn't really clear. Where can I get a sample document? Also, I think it needs to attach to the 1040 to explain what happened to the assets of prior years and also to the 1120S to show the transfer. Am I right?
When I set up the depreciation schedule in the tax program, what date will I use as the purchase date - actual date, or date of the election to be taxed as an S-corp which is Jan 1, 2008? This research has led me to some interesting information that I didn't know about prior. It seemed so simple and it also had to be done because my client was on payroll as a SMLLC. Any guidance and advice of pitfalls to avoid will be appreciated. It would be wonderful if I can be prepared to do this return when the time comes by getting things in order now and doing whatever research needs to be done before the tax season starts. | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 4 October 2008 |
| The date when the transfer occurred.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/1071687 Sec. 167(c)(1) | |
Actionbsns (talk|edits) said: | 4 October 2008 |
| If you use the date of transfer, won't that start the depreciation period all over again? If you have a $10,000 asset, depreciable over 5 years, and it's three years into it and for the sake of discussion, accumulated depreciation is $6000. The net is $4,000, will that start all over and be depreciated again over 5 more years? Thanks Roy for the citations and the help. | |
| 4 October 2008 | |
| Action, the required disclosures are contained in Reg ยง1.351-3.
The depreciation continues on as if there were no tranfer. See Sec. 168(i)(7). | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 5 October 2008 |
I think your client is making two elections. One election for the LLC to be taxed as a corporation, and another election for it to be taxed as an S corporation. Where the new owner [will he own 50%?] comes in might be *really* important in getting all the other stuff done right. Like, for example, will the new part-owner buy his interest in the business from the present individual owner, or will he buy it from the corporation itself? And, also, is there a section 351 exchange here or not? Seems to me the present owner owns an interest in the LLC before and after whatever events are used to make the entity into an S corporation, and he might not be contributing anything to anything...
As for the EIN, does it belong to the individual - i.e., the one owner of the Schedule C LLC, that's really a disregarded entity, but which will become a non-disregarded entity [it's getting deep here] when there's a second owner - and therefore the "new" entity will need another EIN, not the same one? Just musing, just musing... Maybe IRS has a published ruling on how to move from a SMLLC to a Multi-owner LLC electing to be taxed as a corporation and as an S corporation and when a new EIN will be needed... Just musing. | |
ReadMyLips (talk|edits) said: | 5 October 2008 |
| KC GUY-did you think about just keeping the LLC and being taxed as a partnership with the addition of the new member?
If you do want to be treated as an s corp, HB is correct, you need to first make the election to be treated as a corp on form 8832 and then the s election on form 2553. The instructions to form 8832 specifically say not to obtain a new EIN if you already have one, so it sounds like the original EIN can be used for either a partnership or an s corp. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 5 October 2008 |
| Or, just create a new corporation, to which the proprietor/Schedule C/SMLLC contributes his/its business assets and the new partner contributes his purchase price, and the corporation makes a timely S election. Keeping the same EIN seems a little trifling... What's the reason for keeping the same EIN, anyway? | |
| 6 October 2008 | |
| I have the actual EIN brochure from IRS given to me by an IRS agent..If we make the SMLLC to multi member LLC (partnership) we would need new EIN number as old EIN is not valid anymore...That is the reason I am suggesting that we elect with IRS to be treated as S corp and then we can have a new member with 10% ownership...bottom line is that we do not want to change the EIN as it is very critical for this business to keep same EIN as it is tied to lot of contractual agreements with big customers...from the discussion it is looking complicated.. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 6 October 2008 |
| I'm having a deja vu. Many years ago, a couple of my clients were government contractors and they found that they "really, really, really" wanted to keep the same EIN when they changed their form of doing business. It's been so long I don't remember what we ended up doing! | |


