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Cpataxmom (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2008
I have an S-Corporation with three shareholders. During 2007 the corporation distributed monies to one of the shareholders to liquidate his interest. I am not sure how this should be treated on the S-Corp tax return - my initial thought is that it was a distribution to all shareholders and the two bought the third out. Can the S-Corp buy back one shareholders stock? The amount paid to the shareholder exceeds his basis in the stock.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Bjeter (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2008
You can't liquidate the shareholder's interest, otherwise you have a disproportionate distribution and you lose S corp status. I would treat it as a pro-rata distribution. The two other shareholders then are deemed to have purchased the third as you suggested. If you treat this any other way, the 2 remaining shareholders could get screwed.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 25, 2008
You might actually want to see the sale agreement so that you know who did what and to whom. It matters. Did the corp buy back, or did the s/h's buy back?

Cpataxmom (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2008
Bjeter - that was my concern, that they would threaten their status as an S Corp. I just received from the client the agreement and the agreement is between the S Corp and the shareholder. The corporation purchased his shares back. How do you avoid the disproportionate distribution issue in this case?

Will (talk|edits) said:

25 March 2008
This sounds like a straight repurchase of the outstanding stock. It is booked to treasury stock, not distributions. Outstanding shares are reduced, nothing about it threatens s-corp in most circumstances. Shareholders are taken out by corps all the time.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 26, 2008
Dr. T Stock

Cr. Cash

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

26 March 2008
Whew. I thought "liquidating a shareholder" had something to do with the Mafia ....

Cpataxmom (talk|edits) said:

26 March 2008
KatieJ...LOL, actually that is not too far a cry from some of our clientele....

Okay, thanks everyone for your help on this. The repurchase to treasury stock makes sense, but is there any additional adjustment for the stock being purchased at a price in excess of par? His purchase price of stock was $3,000 and it is being redeemed for $70,000. I have no idea how they determined the valuation for purchase because due to a writeoff the entity has a deficit retained earnings.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 26, 2008
Stop thinking and make the entry...you're done, move on. It doesn't matter.

Will (talk|edits) said:

26 March 2008
JR1 is right of course.

I will share that the one I did last year was a rat off a sinking ship scenario. CR was to term note payable. The entry pushed company into technical insolvency, corp legal counsel was not happy because it looked as if the company was being damaged to benefit a shareholder at the expense of the creditors. Of course this was not a problem that additional legal drafting could not solve. In the end all rats were at least technically sharing some risk.

My story obviously has nothing to do with 1120-S preparation. I think it does illustrate though that your clients should be consulting with you during the year and not handing you a stock re-purchase agreement on 3/25 cpataxmom. :)

Smktax (talk|edits) said:

26 March 2008
"Liquidating a shareholder" is typically called a redemption. The AAA of the S corporation needs to be decreased as a result of the redemption. See Treas. Reg. § 1.1368-2(d).

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 26, 2008
No time to read that, but what makes you think so? AAA is a corp item, not a shareholder item.

Smktax (talk|edits) said:

26 March 2008
Treas. Reg. 1.1368-2(d) Adjustment in the case of redemptions, liquidations, reorganizations, and divisions—(1) Redemptions—(i) General rule. In the case of a redemption distribution by an S corporation that is treated as an exchange under section 302(a) or section 303(a) (a redemption distribution), the AAA of the corporation is adjusted in an amount equal to the ratable share of the corporation's AAA (whether negative or positive) attributable to the redeemed stock as of the date of the redemption.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 26, 2008
OK, what does that mean? And how does it work? Adjusted to what? And now thinking back to who I haven't done this to in the past...who has T Stock...? Hmmm.

Smktax (talk|edits) said:

26 March 2008
"equal to the ratable share of the corporation's AAA" For example, if one-third of the stock is redeemed, then one-third of the AAA is eliminated.

Will (talk|edits) said:

26 March 2008
Darn it, I did not know this....

Poring through my bible I note a couple of thingsbeyond the fact that Smktax is right:

The AAA adjustment is made at year end, after all current year activity is booked, although you can elect to split the year if >20% Shareholder is taken out. Also, "that the reduction of AAA does not consider the total amount of redemption proceeds. If the price paid for the stock exceeds the reduction in AAA, the remainder should be accounted for as T. Stock"

Cpataxmom (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2008
Thanks all...extremely helpful. The AAA is in a deficit, another tricky piece of this, but per Smktax looks like I make the adjustment straight to AAA, though I assume it would be an increase in AAA since it is in a deficit. The increase in AAA will exceed the price paid for the stock, so no T stock booked.

Cpataxmom (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2008
Will -

And I agree, I hate getting these suprises late in the game, but this is a new client we just picked up, so we were not consulted on the repurchase, though a CPA/Attorney apparantly drafted it. Sometimes you just gotta work with what your handed.

Will (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2008
cpataxmom,

I would read the regs closely on this. My text indicates that in situations where the redemption would be less than the AAA reduction then the adjustment is limited to the amount paid for the stock.

My text = CCH S Corp taxation guide 2005 Robert Jamison, CPA PHD ISBN: 0-7355-4983-4

Rkrcpa1 (talk|edits) said:

27 March 2008
Redemption Treated as a Sale or Exchange. Generally, a redemption is treated as a sale or exchange of stock subject

to capital gain or loss treatment where: (1) the redemption is not essentially equivalent to a dividend; (2) the redemption is substantially disproportionate with respect to the shareholder and immediately after the redemption the shareholder owns less than 50 percent of the total combined voting power of all classes of stock entitled to vote; (3) the shareholder’s interest is terminated; or (4) the redemption is of stock from an individual in partial liquidation (.10).

For purposes of (2) above, the distribution is substantially disproportionate if the ratio that the voting stock of the corporation owned by the shareholder immediately after the redemption bears to all of the voting stock of the corporation at that time is less than 80 percent of the ratio that the voting stock of the corporation owned by the shareholder immediately before the redemption bears to all of the voting stock of the corporation at that time. A distribution is treated as substantially disproportionate unless the shareholder’s ownership of the common stock of the corporation (whether voting or non-voting) after and before redemption also meets the 80 percent requirement of the preceding sentence.

Comment: Unlike a C corporation shareholder, an S corporation shareholder can generally receive the benefit of capital gain treatment without the benefit of the redemption rules. This is because a distribution to an S shareholder is generally treated as tax free to the extent of the AAA and the shareholder’s basis. Any excess is treated as capital gain from the sale or exchange of the S stock. The result is different, however, where the corporation has earnings and profits from C corporation years. In such cases, a capital gain redemption may be more favorable since it concurrently reduces accumulated earnings and profits independently of any adjustments made to the AAA.

For purposes of (3) above, a shareholder is permitted to retain non-stock interests in the corporation (e.g., such as that of a creditor). If the redeeming shareholder’s continuing interest is truly a debt interest rather than an equity interest, the retention of such an interest does not stand in the way of a complete termination of the shareholder’s interest. Further, if the constructive ownership rules applied, it would be virtually impossible for most closely held corporations to redeem their shares in transactions qualifying for exchange treatment. To alleviate this result, the Code Sec. 302(c)(2) provides special rules under which the family attribution rules can be waived in cases of complete terminations of interest. Practice Tip: While the seller of an S corporation may receive several different types of ongoing economic benefits from an S corporation company after the sale, this does not necessarily preclude the transaction from being taxed as a terminating redemption (i.e., having favorable tax treatment to the seller). In addition, cross-collateralization agreements (e.g., where payments are to be received over a period of time and are secured by the stock sold) do not necessarily mean that the seller has an interest in the stock sold other than an interest as a creditor.

If a redemption is treated as an exchange, the adjustment in the accumulated adjustments account (AAA) of an S corporation is an amount that bears the same ratio to the balance in the AAA as the number of shares redeemed bears to the number of shares of stock in the corporation immediately before the redemption.

Example: X is an S corporation equally owned by A, B, C, and D. The AAA is $50,000 when X redeems all of D’s shares. The AAA is reduced by $12,500. Although the reduction of the AAA takes place on the date of redemption, the amount of the AAA immediately before the redemption will not be known until the end of the year. This is because until the year closes, the increase or decrease in the AAA for the S corporation’s income or loss for the year is unknown. Where there are ordinary distributions during the year, the AAA is adjusted first for the ordinary distributions and then for the redemption distributions.

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Quietandshy (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
I have a S Corp and my business partner walked out on the bussiness almost a year ago. We are 50/50. We need to desolve the corporation. I have had a few time where he has responded to emails, but no progress. How can I take control of he shares so I can move forward with the desolution? Can I vote him out?

I am on the hook for a ton of money for invoices I signed personally for, can I go after him for abandament of the business?

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
"can I go after him for abandament of the business?"

Only if it's a child care center, and there was a legal adoption. Otherwise, you must play it by the book. First, call a special meeting of the Board. Woops, can't do that, there's not a quorum. See if there's something in the Bylaws that will allow you to seize control: Act of Terror, Declaration of War, etc. Otherwise, it looks pretty grim. If he stays gone for 7 years, you might be able to have him declared dead, then you can hunt down his widder and children, and sue them.

Overall, I'd see a lawyer, your lawyer. It sounds like your going to need one anyway to negotiate with all those creditors. P.S. I forgot to mention one more thing, if you can convince the government that you are too big to fail, you may qualify for a bailout.

Blrgcpa (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
Get an attorney to help you. These are legal problems. You may want to buy back the shares he owns possibly at book value. The s-corp can buy back the shjares and then they are called treasury stock. These are possibilities if you wish to continue the business.

SEE AN ATTORNEY!

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
There's one other thing, which I'm NOT suggesting, but merely exercising the right of free speech that we all enjoy. Look at the title of this post " Liquidating a shareholder". Now, it used to be that no one would go in business unless he had a friend of a friend that knew a friend who was a "leg breaker". Ahem. Myself, I keep a business relationship with a lesbian blue grass band. Not a hand has to be lifted when these ladies take on an assignment, once they roll up to some miscreants property, and start a pickin and a grinning, that boy will begin to hear the music.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
I'm liquidating in my pants from fear right now just thinking about that, Crow.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
I have the name of the group if anyone want's it. There all on the LPGA tour, so it's hard to round 'em up at certain times of the year.

Smokeytax (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2008
Wow - they're handy with clubs as well as stringed instruments!

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