Discussion:S-Corp Owner/Employee Reimbursements
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| 31 October 2009 | |
| I will be doing my first S-corp return in 2010 for 2009. I am new to S-corps and I learned about them studying for the EA exam but I have a question that I couldn't find a solid answer for on this board.
I have a client who is a 100% owner of his S-corp for his computer consulting business. He does not have any employees except for himself. He takes a paycheck for 50% of his income and takes the other 50% in distributions when needed. He is paying his cell phone bill from his personal bank account and having the business give him a cell phone allowance of about $100 a month on his paycheck. He is also getting a mileage allowance of .55ct a mile on his paycheck for business use of his vehicle. And last the business is reimbursing him for the business use of a home office about 200 month on his paycheck. I would assume that the S-corp would take a deduction for the cell phone, the mileage and the home office but how is this handled on his personal return. Will those amounts he receives as an allowance or reimbursement be added to his income on his W-2? This is all new to me so I hope I explained it correctly. I am going to be doing more and more S-corp's so I want to make sure I understand how to apply the tax laws correctly. Thanks! GTSEA09 | |
| 31 October 2009 | |
| He needs actual expenses and actual receipts. It sounds like he does not have a bookkeeper to keep him honest and so the job falls to you.
Try and scare him into doing the right thing: http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Discussion:I_love_it!_US_Tax_Court_on_lack_of_documentation If he does not clean up his act, you'll have to fire this client. He'll soak up more time than you ever imagined. | |
| 1 November 2009 | |
| There are 2 ways to reimburse:
1) A non accountable plan. No receipts are required. It's a set amount each month. Example the cell phone allowance is $100/mo according to the OP. This gets added to the gross wages, subject to all taxes. When the 1040 is done, do a 2106 list the expenses less the reimbursements. 2) An accountable plan: Keep a log of the expenses and the receipts. Submit at regular intervals to the corp. The corp will reimburse the exact amt of the bills. Then the corp has the various expenses on the books. It does not go through the p/r. No extra taxes w/h. It does not appear on the 1040 unless a 2106 is needed for some unreimbursed item. This is not only for s corps. It is for any business. | |
| 1 November 2009 | |
| Method 1. Does need receipts and records. Look carefully at the instructions for 2106. These deductions are then subject to 2% AGI.
With Method 2, there is no 2% AGI. More work up front, but preferable - every thing gets documented and paid as you go along. No-dog-ate-my-receipts at the end of the year. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 1 November 2009 |
| The 55 cents a mile is fine as long as he turns in an expense reporting detailed where, when and why he drove. The Corp deducts the expense and he does not have to account for it on his return.
He is not accounting for his cellphone usage; the $100 should be part of his wages. I realize it is difficult in these days of flat fees for phones to make an accounting, but this could be a problem. I note that my cellphone service stopped giving itemized bills two years ago. The $200 [or is it about $200, a different amount each month?] might also be wages if not accounted for. Read Publication 463 carefully. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 1 November 2009 |
| We may have failed to emphasize the benefit of "Method 2" - the "accountable plan" - compared to "Method 1".
The results of using an "accountable plan" for reimbursement of employee business expenses are way far superior to what "less sophisticated" approaches get you. The taxpayer can completely avoid the 2% haircut of his miscellaneous itemized deductions that can cost him a portion - or maybe all - of the income tax benefit of his business expenses. The taxpayer and his employer can completely avoid payroll taxes on the amount of his business expenses. In some situations, the result can approach a 50% tax savings. How's that? you say. 30% federal income tax, 6% state income tax, and 15% FICA/Medicare tax. 50%, plus or minus. It behooves your client to be doing this *today* and not at the end of the year. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 1 November 2009 |
Two afterthoughts:
1. When your client has properly adopted an "accountable plan," his business expenses don't even show up on his personal income tax return!! Read the laughably disastrous court case cited above and consider this: How did the IRS select that taxpayer for an audit in the first place? 2. Read carefully the necessary and sufficient conditions that must obtain to support a successful home office deduction. And share that information with your client. Put it in writing. Your client must know what he must do so that he can't come back to you later and say "What the hell happened?" | |
| 1 November 2009 | |
| Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough.
With a non-accountable plan, you are reimbursed a set amount from the employer, without submitting any receipts to the employer. Therefore the reimbursement is added to your p/r, subject to all taxes. When you do your 1040, a 2106 is added to the tax return. As said above it is subject to the 2% agi. You should be keeping the receipts for your own purposes so the 2106 can be completed accurately. With an accountable plan, the receipts and log are submitted to the employer in order to get reimbursed. You will be reimbursed the exact amount of the total expense. No 2106 is required on the 1040. I had a client who would spend 1 or 2 days a week visiting customers for the employer. The employer reimbursed the mileage usually 15 cents/mile less than what was allowed by the IRS. A 2106 had to be completed so the balance of the expense could be deducted on the 1040. | |
| 2 November 2009 | |
| For a home office deduction, I recommend searching here for S-corp home office. Lots of good discussion. | |
| 3 November 2009 | |
| Thank you all for the great discussion. I asked the client for his paystubs and I noticed that they added the $200 for home office, the reimb for the mileage, and the reimb for the cell phone all under the taxes and deductions section. So this money is coming to him without being taxed. It seems to be that it is like an accountable plan. He submits his exact mileage and the S-corp gives him back .55ct a mile on his paycheck. It will be interesting to see what his W-2 will look like. He is using a service called E-chx Inc to process payroll. The cell phone he is just getting an allowance. And the home office is $200 a month for the space the business is using in his home. The part where it gets confusing is that if the S-corp takes the deduction for the amount reimbursed to the employee/owner for the mileage it will then pass to him on the K-1 and he pays less tax because the K-1 is less the deductions taken by the S-corp. And then he gets the money from the S-corp on his paycheck so it seems like he is getting a double deduction. Am I seeing this all wrong?
Thank You! GTSEA09 | |
| 3 November 2009 | |
| The mileage deduction is fine - it is a business expense to the S-corp and a reimbursement of expenses to the shareholder (not income). Unless the client also accounts for his cell phone and home office (refunding the unsubstantiated amount), this will need to be taxable income on his W-2. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 3 November 2009 |
| GTSEA - If this client is a client now and if you're including the design and implementation of his reimbursement plan in your purview you need to address the mechanics of his "plan" now. Waiting until year end ("...interesting to see what his W-2 will look like.") ain't in anybody's best interest.
Help your client document the cell phone and auto and home office expenses now so's his "accountable plan" will be a *valid* accountable plan. There's a potential of a 50% tax savings... Who came up with the $200 a month for the home office, how did they arrive at that number, and is it being called "rent"? Answer these questions and you may find that you're helping your client. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 3 November 2009 |
| Harry, Barb, Wayne and I have said the same thing, more or less, but your response seems it ignore some of what we are saying. 'Seems like an accountable plan' and being an accountable plan are two different animals.
Does he have a business card and letterhead? Is that cell phone number listed on it? And is his home really his place of business? Computer consulting oft-times is the haven of disguised employees, and used to be an IRS hot spot. Does he have more than one customer? And if so, we can then get to 'reasonable compensation' which is probably the largest topic entry wise on this board. 50% for salary may or may not be acceptable, but using a percentage is a recipe for future problems. | |


