Discussion:Rev Rul 2008-42--S corps and officers' life insurance...
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| 14 August 2008 | |
| According to Rev Rul 2008-42, 2008-30 IRB, life insurance premiums paid by an S Corporation on a contract it owns, and which is a beneficiary, do not reduce its AAA. What about life insurance premiums an S Corporation pays on a contract it doesn't own and is not the beneficiary? Would it be more technically correct to consider these dividends to the shareholder (since it is his life insurance contract personally and his family is the beneficiary) or should it an M-1 adjustment--both which would reduce AAA. Or would it be more correct to book it as a loan to shareholder?
Here is a link to Rev Rul 2008-42 http://www.legalbitstream.com/scripts/isyswebext.dll?op=get&uri=/isysquery/irl3b/1/doc | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 14 August 2008 |
| http://www.legalbitstream.com/scripts/isyswebext.dll?op=get&uri=/isysquery/irl42/1/doc
I think this is a better link. Always wanting to avoid loans to shareholders where possible, I would comment that the about cited premiums are a personal expense of the shareholder and should be: 1. Added to the salary as a taxable fringe, or, 2. Treated as a distribution, or, 3. Treated as a non-deductible expense. This being my least favored choice, but sometimes the only choice. 4. Treated as an advance to the shareholder, or as a reduction in a loan from the shareholder. As to AAA: "The AAA is generally decreased by the items of loss or deduction described in § 1366(a)(1)(A), any nonseparately computed loss determined under § 1366(a)(1)(B), and any nondeductible expense not properly chargeable to a capital account other than expenses related to tax-exempt income." It would be a nondeductible expense for sure. | |
| 14 August 2008 | |
| Roy, what if the taxpayer does not have any AAA and treating the life insurance premiums would give him negative AAA? Seems like would should treat it as an advance. But I'm like you, I don't like treating as an advance--these open-ended loans make my uneasy at times... | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 14 August 2008 |
(d) SPECIAL RULES FOR LOSSES AND DEDUCTIONS
(1) CANNOT EXCEED SHAREHOLDER'S BASIS IN STOCK AND DEBT
The aggregate amount of losses and deductions taken into account by a
shareholder under subsection (a) for any taxable year shall not
exceed the sum of--
(A) the adjusted basis of the shareholder's stock in the S
corporation (determined with regard to paragraphs (1) and (2)(A)
of section 1367(a) for the taxable year), and
(B) the shareholder's adjusted basis of any indebtedness of the
S corporation to the shareholder (determined without regard to
any adjustment under paragraph (2) of section 1367(b) for the
taxable year).
(2) INDEFINITE CARRYOVER OF DISALLOWED LOSSES AND DEDUCTIONS
(A) IN GENERAL
Except as provided in subparagraph (B), any loss or deduction
which is disallowed for any taxable year by reason of paragraph
(1) shall be treated as incurred by the corporation in the
succeeding taxable year with respect to that shareholder.
Also, see post under Sub S Losses taken in excess of basis for the IRS reasoning, which, I believe the IRS would apply to this item. When I said "It would be a nondeductible expense for sure," you needed to see were my tongue was, heck, it's a personal expense treat it like any other personal expense paid by the corporation. I suggest to you that if you treat it as an adjustment to AAA (a nondeductible item) the proceeds from the life insurance policy may become taxable. | |


