Discussion:Reimbursable Expenses - pass-through treatment?
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| 6 July 2008 | |
| My client is incorporated and does IT CONSULTING work through his own corporation.
Currently he is doing consulting work for a BANK. The BANK PAYS THE RATE + REIMBURSES THE ACTUAL TRAVEL EXPENSES that my client incurs. Below is the PAYMENT flow... BANK -> MY CLIENT'S CORP -> W2 to my CLIENT.
How should my client treat these 'EXPENSE reimbursements'? My feeling is that it is just a PASS THROUGH ITEM (not an INCOME/EXPENSE item) and should not be counted towards GROSS. For example. The BANK PAID $200K for consulting services + $45k for expense reimbursements (TOTAL $245K). Since the bank is already 'accounting' for $45k in expenses, can my client simply claim $200k in gross for his own corporation and pass $45k to his personal account (since he paid for those expenses with his own credit card and is being reimbursed for actual expenses under accountable plan). My colleague is saying that he should include $245k as a gross in a corporation and deduct $45k as expense. However, I feel doing this is NOT CORRECT since it will be 'double counting' of expenses (since the bank is already taking a deduction for those expenses). Furthermore, it would increase the TRUE GROSS INCOME (by adding a non-income items -> expenses)... This sound shady like Enron or Worldcom... Can you guys provide some expert guidance on this subject? | |
| 6 July 2008 | |
| The net taxable income to your client would appear to be equivalent under either treatment, except for the 50% reduction in the deduction of meal expenses.
That being the case, your treating the travel expenses as a passthrough item, would be preferable. Presmuably the bank will take the hit for not deducting the 50% of meals. | |
| 6 July 2008 | |
| Smokeytax,
Thanks for your reply. I agree that NET TAXABLE INCOME would be the same under either treatment. My main question is: Which is the correct way of doing this? or both of them are correct and it up to my client to decide. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 6 July 2008 |
| Work through the accounting, with the end thought in mind that the check from the bank will be 245,000 to be deposited in the corporation account. Journal entries are not quite my bag, but here is what might happen, considering the fact that he is using his own credit card (consider getting a company one):
1. Expenses are advanced: Debit Cost Advanced(an asset account)45K, Credit Officer Loan 45K 2. A billing is done: Debit Accounts Receivable 245,000, Credit Sales 200,000, Credit Costs advanced 45,000 3. Check is received: Debit Cash 245K, Credit A/R 245K 4. Office is repair: Debit Officer Loan, Credit cash for the 45K You could also run the first entry thru the expense account, and then when billing is done, put 200K in AR and 45K in cost advanced, crediting that 45K to expense. This is all internal bookkeeping but the sales of the company should be 200K.....and if he is billing the bank for actual costs, including meals on an actual basis, it would seem the bank would be the one to lose the 50% disallowance. | |
| 6 July 2008 | |
| Death&Taxes,
Thanks for your reply. For the 1120 return, client's corporation should show only 200k in Gross Sales. Correct? Furthermore, I think that this is the only right way to do this correctly - because otherwise, the bank would get hit for 50% M&E disallowance and then my client's corp would get hit second time for 50% M&E disallowance. Can you please comment on 'considering the fact that he is using his own credit card (consider getting a company one):'... I am suggesting that the client use his OWN CREDIT CARD and then have his CORPORATION reimburse him for the same amount that it receives from the BANK (actual expenses). | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 6 July 2008 |
| I would show 245,000 as gross receipts.
The reimbursements are gross income to the contractor. | |
| July 6, 2008 | |
| I'm pretty sure the bank could deduct 100% of the M&E that it is reimbursing his company. It then becomes 50% to your clients company. | |
| July 7, 2008 | |
| I think there is a question that needs to be answered first -- whose expenses are these? Let's look at it from the bank's perspective making the assumption that the travel expenses are the consultant's, i.e., to get the consultant to the bank to perform the services. The bank would then record the $245k as professional services. In that case, the corporation should record $245k as gross income.
Now, let's assume that for some reason the expenses are actually the bank's, e.g., maybe the consultant got really good rates to bring the bank's employees into the main branch from around the United States. In that case, the consultant would report only the $200k as gross income and run the other "costs" through an advance account as D&T suggested. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 7 July 2008 |
| I had this situation for a C Corp, a direct marketing consultant with receipts in the area of this poster. Her number of yearly checks written were less than 120, and there was no reason to give financial statements etc. So records were kept on cash basis, and bank deposits were split between fees and expenses...the credit card was corporate and shown as a corporate liability.
IRS did not adjust the meals that she expensed to the clients....her contract called for the reimbursement of her travel costs which would be itemized and receipted. This does not mean that this audit formed any precedent; in fact the auditor and his manager totally ignored the fact that she filed on a February 28th fiscal, but they were there three days, the first to set the parameters, the second to examine records and the third (with the manager) for follow-up. The only real issue was the loan to the officer. | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 7 July 2008 |
| While, I agree reimbursement of expenses is most of the time a wash, remember we are not dealing with accounting rules, but tax rules. Also, I agree it should not be an issue on examination, if you offset the reimbursement and the expenses, however, there may be other issues. For example, the omission of 25% of gross income test could be affected by using the offset of expenses. In addition, if you do the research you will find that the official position is that reimbursements are part of gross income. | |


