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Doug-tax (talk|edits) said:

16 June 2009
I decided to attend a networking event sponsored by the local Chamber of Commerce. I figured it would be a good way to make some connections and maybe drum up some business.

Well, it was a total bust. There must have been 10 other accountants there, a bunch of insurance agents, a couple of realtors and even one guy who was selling defined benefit pension plan tax shelters. So basically there were lots of salespeople and no customers. I spoke to most everyone and handed out a bunch of cards, but overall it was a very disappointing event.

Does anyone have any similar experiences or better alternatives?

Thanks

Pete

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
You might want to try:


Young entrepreneur clubs

Entrepreneurs (google it with your city in the google search)

Avon meetings

Amway meetings

AA meetings (okay that one was a joke)

Some Churches have some business clubs or meetings for young entrepreneurs.

You might want to also talk with the newly divorced and newly widowed clubs at your local churches to see about presenting a topic regarding the tax ramifications of each. Many spouses rely completely on their spouse to do the taxes so when that spouse dies or a divorce happens, many are lost.


When I googled entrepreneur clubs and my city, it came up with many non-matches that gave me other ideas of where to look. I haven't had time but will.


Michael

Delcpa (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
Chambers of Commerce and Rotary networking are about giving, not receiving. It’s also about building trust bye creating **long term** relationships. You need to establish yourself as the “next choice” when their current accountant messes up. This takes time.

Bbowers (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
I agree with Delcpa & would add that creating relationships with others that are selling is a great source for referrals. Some of my best clients come from an investment advisor or attorney. They have conversations with their clients & if the need for a new or different accountant comes up I'm on thier list. This too takes time - a real lesson in patience!

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
Is networking about 'customers' Doug? I thought it was about referrals.

So getting to know the other 9 accountants, realtors, and pension plan sellers is EXACTLY what you should have been doing. At some point, the realtors will have a client who needs a new accountant. At some point the pension plan guy will have a client who is unhappy with their current accountant. And at some point those 9 other accountants will either need a job, want to retire and sell off their clients, or have a client whom they can't or care not to help.

Whose name will they think of? Someone they met once, or someone they see each month?

That's what networking is. It is indeed a long-term thing. It is only a 'total bust' if you expected to find people there willing to hire you on the spot. If that is the case, you were misled in thinking what networking was all about.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
If you are looking to get in front of a group ready to make a buying decision, consider hosting a seminar and inviting your target group. Don't invite the other accountants. Make it a subject for which your target group would be willing to invest an hour of their time to learn about. Give a 'doorprize' like a book or small gift certificate (which is only an excuse to get people to drop their business cards or fill out a contact form into the hat - from which you will create a prospect list to do your drip marketing).

For instance, a short seminar on the tax benefits of owning a home (including the FTHBC) where you invite real estate agents (giving them 4 extra tickets to invite their prospects for free to hear this important and valuable information from the local tax expert). You get a few realtors (who are great referral sources), and you might even get a consumer/homebuyer or two who has heretofore been able to file the short form, but now knows a tax expert to help them with their more complicated return.

Doug-tax (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
Kevin- that's a great point and yes I had the wrong expectations. But so did the others attending the event, several of them said to me that they were disappointed there weren't more "prospects" there. Perhaps there are the kinds of folks I shouldn't be networking with...

Pete

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
you can only hope that those others don't show up next month, and even fewer in two months.

Soon, you will be the 'old' guy.

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
My personal philosophy in life has been this: Keep doing good things well and good things will happen to you.


Even if you had a bad experience at this one, next month may bring an influx of new clients to your doors. Perhaps you go and while everyone else is and complaining about the fact that you are all there with no 'clients', you be the most charming Accountant there. We have all met people we didn't want to be around from the moment we met them. We have also all met people who we liked immediately.


There are no failures in networking attempts, just less effective efforts. You never know what seed you planted.


Michael

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
The larger the city, the tougher it is. No question about that.

You'd think that with more people, it would be easier, but it's not.

You need to decide what actions you want to take, and plan to consistenly follow through with those activities time and time again. What's hard about it is that you will most likely not get an immediate return.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
it would be so much easier to be in the Churching business where you can directly measure the number of souls saved per snake handled.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
oops, I meant to post as CrowJD there, and not as myself.

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
Wow, very rare comedy from the Kevin5h! I wasn't sure you had it in you boy, I am proud of you! You might want to keep your distance from CrowJD though as that comedy can quickly turn demented without you ever noticing. ;-)


I have actually been to the DOOR of a Pentacostal church in rural VA that handled snakes--my cousin and I walked by and wondered what all the noise was. Uh, no thanks--I didn't go in.


Michael

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
You guys know that preaching is my side job. I can't think of another part-time job with the same opportunities for graft and tax savings as the ministry. Then, you have to consider the fringe benefits such as getting into heaven without waiting in line, and also having groupies and so on.

If you can think of any others, let me know. Perhaps politician.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
being first to hear all the gossip...I mean confessions

Southparkcpa (talk|edits) said:

17 June 2009
Doug

Many years ago I joined a BNI leads group and walked away with the impression that the people IN the group, needed it. I stayed 2 weeks and left. My view is that if you do quality work, dress and act professionally, keep professional hours and good things will happen. It may take time, 2 to 5 years even who knows. Kevin's idea is a good one on the seminars. A local accountant here in town put on QB seminars at a local library and his practice has grown well.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

18 June 2009
I tried BNI in the past as well, their rigid style and can't miss any of the 7 am meetings held each week meant I went once and never again.

I prefer the good old boy networking style where we meet in the afternoon, near the end of the work day close to or in a tavern.

I've met quite a few clients just having conversations in bars and diners. I'm the kind of guy who talks to everyone.

Anchorman (talk|edits) said:

24 June 2009
I was in BNI for over 3 years and had great referrals for the first 2 years. But the group seemed to churn a lot of members, and many were new businesses or new sales reps who really didn't understand how to give and receive referrals. It got to a point where I wasn't comfortable putting my reputation on the line, forced to refer to other members I didn't necessarily like or trust myself. I let my membership run out. Since tax season, I've had some good success in some less rigid networking groups, including a "Speed Networking" group, a "Lunch and Learn" group, and a pseudo chamber of commerce. As I give referrals to people I respect, I start to see referrals come back my way. Takes time. My recommendation is a little 100 page book entitled "Lifetime of a Referral" by Tim Templeton. It presents the most practical way I've seen to make networking work.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 26, 2009
BNI reunion party in Hawaii after Fred gets back from his vacation! I was in BNI for about two years. I was president of a chapter, so I learned a lot about networking, running meetings and organization.

Like some of the others, I've also learned it takes a long time to develop relationships. One group that I belong to has about half a dozen accountants as members. I'm the only one who is consistently at the meetings month after month. That sends a positive message to people.

TAX.TITAN (talk|edits) said:

26 June 2009
I am in BNI and love it. Not only is there for networking, but it an small business support group.It is well worth the cost of admission.

Toastmasters might also be a great option. It is dirt cheap and is packed with Self Employed individuals.

Another thing that I recommend is doing Ironman Triathlons - they are packed with successful self employed individuals. It is a great way to get wired in with the local community. They are obviously not for everyone.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 26, 2009
Hey, let's have the BNI party on the Big Island right after the next Ironman!

Southparkcpa (talk|edits) said:

26 June 2009
Ironman Triathalons????? What good is a referral if I am dead from the Triathalon!

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 26, 2009
Southpark, if you think it would kill you, then you don't participate in the event itself. It's actually neat to just watch, and there are LOTS of people at those things.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

27 June 2009
We can go and drink while we WATCH the triathalon. much better that way.

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