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Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

7 July 2008
I have a client who recently moved to Montana. Currently a Mi C-Corp is set up. The Corporation wants to maintain the name in Mi. Should the corporation sign up as Foreign Corp in Montana? What kind of taxes are due if they sign up as Foreign Corp. Does Montana have a business tax that has to be paid (if doing business in Montana). Client is currently not doing business in Montana, but will start in August. Should they start up a new corportion in Montna?

Pierce (talk|edits) said:

7 July 2008
Try www.mt.gov for a start.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

7 July 2008
A foreign corporation may not transact business in Montana without first obtaining a certificate of authority from the Montana Secretary of State. Mont. Code Ann. § 35-1-1026. There is a $70 filing fee. The forms are available at the Montana Secretary of State's web site, http://sos.mt.gov.

Montana imposes a corporate license tax for the privilege of doing business in the state. The rate is 6.75%, and the base is federal taxable income after certain state adjustments. The annual tax may not be less than $50. "Doing business" for this purpose is very broadly defined as "actively engaging in any transaction for the purpose of financial or pecuniary gain or profit." Mont. Code Ann. § 15-31-101(2). A corporation that is doing business in more than one state apportions its income to Montana by an equally-weighted three-factor formula (the standard UDITPA property, payroll and sales formula).

If the corporation will continue to do business in Michigan, you might as well leave it there and obtain a certificate of authority to do business in Montana. If there will not be any more Michigan activity, reincorporating in Montana will avoid the requirements of filing annual reports and Michigan Business Tax returns in Michigan.

Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

8 July 2008
The customer wants to keep his Mi Corp active, because it is taking in interest income, but will not be doing business in MI, nor do they plan to come back to Mi (unless wife is not happy in Montana). The plan the president of the company has is to keeep the Mi Corp going and do business in Montana as a foreign corporation, unless it would be a better idea to start up a new Montana Corp.

Thanks for the Feedback

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

8 July 2008
Interest income from what? Interest income that is nonbusiness income is generally allocated to the commercial domicile of the corporation -- which, once the management and corporate headquarters have moved to Montana, is Montana, regardless of the state of incorporation. If the interest is business income, it would generally be excluded from the sales factor in the apportionment formula unless it arises from a localized activity of the taxpayer, e.g., an active treasury function carried on in a particular location; in that case, it would be included in the denominator and assigned to the numerator in that location. Without knowing what this interest income arises from, it is difficult to see how it would justify or require maintaining the corporation in Michigan.

What kind of business is this?

Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

8 July 2008
Interest income from CD's. The money is in AG Edwards in Michigan. Client will open a checking account in Montana under business name. The Mi business is or was an electrician business. The money coming in from electrician jobs was earned in Michigan. No business has been operated in Montana yet. The big question would be, Open up a new coporation in Montana or use the Michigan Foreign corporation in Montana. Client does not want to start new company if he does not have to, but will if to his advantage.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

8 July 2008
There is no reason to maintain the corporation in Michigan.

As you probably know, the old Michigan Single Business Tax has been replaced by the new Business Tax. The MBT is imposed on domestic (i.e., organized in Michigan) and foreign corporations with business activity in Michigan. If the corporation no longer has any business activity in Michigan, it is not subject to the MBT. "Business activity" for this purpose is defined as "...a transfer of legal or equitable title to or rental of property, whether real, personal, or mixed, tangible or intangible, or the performance of services, or a combination thereof, made or engaged in, or caused to be made or engaged in, whether in intrastate, interstate, or foreign commerce, with the object of gain, benefit, or advantage, whether direct or indirect, to the taxpayer or to others...." Mich. Comp. Laws Ann. § 208.1105(1), effective 1/1/08.

It does not matter where the brokerage is located. The interest income is not from a Michigan source, even though the funds invested in the CDs arose from Michigan business in the past. If the corporation is no longer conducting any business activity in Michigan, it is not subject to the MBT.

The relevant Michigan code sections are: Mich. Comp. Laws Ann. §208.1201(1), §208.1113(3), and §208.1117(5).

Your client would be wise to reincorporate this entity in Montana. Forms for accomplishing this are no doubt available on the Secretary of State web sites of the two states. For federal income tax purposes this will be a tax-free reorganization under IRC Sec. 368(a)(1)(F).

Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

15 July 2008
my thoughts exactly. start up corp in Montana. thanks

Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2009
Back Again. Client maintained Mi C-Corp. Filed for MT foreign Corporation. On June 30, 2008, client moved assets to MT, roughly 300,000. All the income was from Michigan. There was roughly 13,000 interst income while in MT. Payroll in MT was 191,000. Is this C-Corporation liable for MT Tax (Corporation License Tax, Form CLT-4)? I did fill out the Schedule K-Combined Apportionment Factors for Combined Filers, showing assets in the everywhere column and in MT column. Also payroll and interest in MT column. In the end it comes out to owing 8,312. -OR- does this company only have to pay $50, because no business activity occured.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2009
How can you say there was no business activity in MT when there was $191,000 of payroll?? Somebody must have been doing something in MT on behalf of this corporation.

The MT corporation license tax is imposed on every corporation, domestic or foreign, that is engaged in business or doing business in Montana. "Engaging in business" and "doing business" are both defined as "actively engaging in any transaction for pecuniary gain or profit."

If the corporation did nothing but hold intangibles, collect interest and dividends, and distribute dividends to its owners, it probably would not meet the definition of "doing business" and would not be subject to the tax. The fact that it has one or more employees performing services on its behalf in Montana, however, suggests that more is going on than just holding intangibles. California, which defines "doing business" in similar terms, would consider signing the payroll checks in the state to constitute an activity for pecuniary gain or profit (why else would you pay an employee?).

References: Mont. Code Ann. §15-31-101(2); Mont. Code Ann. §15-31-406; Mont. Admin. R. §42.23.102.

Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2009
Glad to here from you. The payroll was for the president only (bonus pay and 5 weeks pay) and was from money made in MI. The company did not do any electric work (jobs) in MT, after moving into the state (MT). 5 weeks pay wanted to finish paying into maximum IRA-SEP.

Does bonus pay in MT considered MT apportionment Factor?

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

3 July 2009
Montana is somewhat similar to California in that it has two taxes measured by corporate income.

The corporation license tax (analogous to the California franchise tax) is imposed by Part 1 of Chapter 31 of Title 15 of the Montana Code on corporations engaged in business or doing business in Montana. There is a $50 annual minimum under the corporation license tax. See Mont. Code Ann. Sec 15-31-101 and Sec. 15-31-121.

The corporation income tax (analogous to the California corporate income tax) is imposed by Part 4 of Chapter 31 of Title 15 of the Montana Code on corporations that are subject to net income tax in Montana but are not subject to the license tax -- IOW, corporations that derive income from sources in Montana but are not doing business in the state. There is no minimum under the corporation income tax. See Mont. Code Ann. Sec. 5-31-401.

Your client's corporation is clearly subject to Montana tax, but the question is whether it is doing business so as to be subject to the license tax, or is subject to the income tax. If it does nothing in Montana but hold intangibles, collect interest, and pay dividends, it may be subject to the income tax rather than the license tax. Also, if it is not engaged in business, its income is not apportionable; it is nonbusiness income as defined by Mont Code Ann Sec. 15-31-302, which is the UDITPA definition. The interest earned after the corporation moved to Montana would be nonbusiness income allocable to Montana (the commercial domicile of the corporation after that date). The tax would be 6.75% of the $13,000 of income earned after the corporation became commercially domiciled in Montana.

You should probably consult a local practitioner who is familiar with the Montana tax system. Only a knowledgeable person who has access to all of the relevant facts and circumstances can really give you an answer as to which tax your client is subject to. It depends on a lot of things. For example, you said the assets had been moved to Montana -- does that include the assets of the electrical contracting business? Is that business going to be carried on in Montana in the future? Or is the client effectively retired from the electrician business? It may be possible that the corporation is subject to the income tax in one year (e.g., the part of 2008 after the move) and the license tax the next. You need local help with this.

Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

4 July 2009
Anyone from MT whom I can contact by phone? If not, I have a list from the web.

thank you

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

4 July 2009
I have NEVER met a wife that was satisfied with Montanna. Jane Fonda left Ted Turner over it, but that's just one example.

Hopefully, this will all blow over, and they'll move back to Michigan.

However, reading over the facts of your situation, I can't help but think that the Husband here is running away from something, rather than running toward something. Has he gotten a warning from the Mob? Did he bet the farm on GM stock?

I think you need to have these clients investigated. On the bright side, maybe the feller has gone green, and he's set his sights on a windfarm.

Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

5 July 2009
lol !!!!!! This was the husband's dream to move to MT. He LOVES it. Wife not so much. She sends me pictures of snow that is almost to the roof of the house. I don't think she likes that. I think she is not happy and misses MI. I do think they will be back and maybe he can go to MT to visit.

As for betting the farm on GM stock----NOT.

Michigan people in the manufacturing sector have suffered a big loss in the automotive industry and I for one am hoping that these people can ride out the storm.

TAX.TITAN (talk|edits) said:

5 July 2009
Fly Fishing!

The husband is not running away from something, he wants to go Fly Fishing. He probably has seen the movie "A river runs through it" too many times - once may be too many!

Send them the movie, upon discovering Fly Fishing, their marriage will be over, then your client will be forced to move back. I should patent this evil plan.

Tax Lady (talk|edits) said:

5 July 2009
COME ON

No takers from Montana!!!! I see, to busy Fly Fishing. I got it.

Phones will be ringing in MT on Monday!!!!!! Talk to you then.

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