Discussion:Massage therapist laundry deduction

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Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
Hi,


I have a new client who is a massage therapist...not one of those seedy strip mall, soon-to-be-raided types but a real one. Licensed and all.


She does in-home massages, massages actually in her home, and some in a few medical offices around.


She has been deducting $4 per load of laundry while using her home washing machine to do the work.


I have scoured the IRS site, google, this site andd all other avenues--little to no information on the topic. This is a legitimate expense but I can't find any documentation either way. The most definitive opinion I saw was that if the therapist used here home machine, she couldn't deduct it unless she had a separate work and business machine....that seems kind of crazy because homes aren't set up to handle multiple machines.


Anyone run across this?


Thanks,

Michael

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
What is she laundering? Could be simple explanation, but I don't get it :)

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
I'd deduct it.

happy ending can be messy

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
EWWWWWWWWWWWWW

I knew better than to ask :)

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
You can use the same machine for personal and business laundry, assuming she's not laundering money. However, she will have to account for personal and business loads with contemporaneous documentation. She can take her actual expenses, or .48 cents per load, whatever she chooses. If she chooses the cents method, she cannot switch to the actual expense method. You can ask some of the perfessers on here, but I don't think there's any recapture if you do it by the cents method. Does that make sense?

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
TMI

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
Money...:D

Actually, when she gives a massage, she uses sheets underneath the person and one to cover the person (modesty sake). They get massage oil and need to be cleaned in between clients. Industry standard.


If she wasn't using her home machine, she would have to go to a coin laundry to get it done.


I read somewhere that a home machine would be classified as a mixed use and therefore not deductible but I can't imagine the owner not being given that deduction.


Thanks,

Michael

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
In court, a good attorney never asks a question of the witness the answer to which he doesn't already know, Sandy.

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
CrowJD...


Is the .48 per load a standard rate or something? Where did you find that rate?


Thanks,

Michael

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
he is joking, Michael.

Though you would want to advise her to keep her receipts for laundry detergent and water bills to show that they are higher than a 'normal' person would have.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
Thank you God I am not a lawyer then.....

"strategically taking foot out of mouth"....hehehehe

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
I've had dog groomers deducting $2.50 a load for dog towels.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
The cynic in me says she is using the home machine so an auditor can't check laundry bills to get some idea of her gross income. I think that was the way they used to work with barbers etc.

TexCPA (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
When a taxpayer adequately establishes that he paid or incurred a deductible expense but does not establish the precise amount, the Court may in some circumstances estimate the allowable deduction, bearing heavily against the taxpayer whose inexactitude is of his own making. Cohan v. Commissioner, 39 F.2d 540, 544 (2d Cir. 1930).

Crow - the cents per load changed last year, $0.49 loads 1-100, and $0.50 loads over 100.

TexCPA 15:26, 8 March 2009 (CDT)

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
D&T,


I don't know about that, this lady is pretty square and very conservative. I worked with her to set up her Quickbooks back in the Spring so I am comfortable she isn't pushing this too hard.


So what would your advice be? Cut the per load cost to $2?


She claims 122 loads this year which corresponds to a reasonable estimation of how much she worked. It doesn't seem out of the question.


Michael

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
TexCPA....


Can you point me to that allowance of $.49 and $.50 respectively? What publication can I find that in?


Thanks,

Michael

TexCPA (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
Michael, my mother taught me not to point.....

TexCPA 15:43, 8 March 2009 (CDT)

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
I think we were alluding to the mileage method by analogy, not in reality. If this catches on, the IRS may come out with a Pub.

Uncle Sam (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
I have a few massage therapists as clients.

For those that don't use a laundry service, I have them estimate the number of washes they actually use for the massage linens, and multiply that times what it would cost at a coin laundry if they were to take it there + the oost of the drying machine for each load.

Blrgcpa (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
Even so a full load of laundry to go through the washing machine on heavy duty and the dryer on high, doesn't cost $4/load.

$2/load seems more reasonable, unless there is a specific allowance for it.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
maybe with her clientele, she has to run those things through twice?

Wwtaxes (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
Michael,

I also found the article you refer to about needing a separate washer, but I read it as if you wanted to deduct the washer itself, not the laundry. All the other articles I scanned seemed to imply that laundry deductions were justified, but that they needed to be tracked. As far as how much per load, I didn't see anything in specific, but if I had to do this, I would deduct no more than the amount it would cost to do a load at a laundromat, and track detergent/supplies for business separately. Another article recommended a portion of your laundry costs, but how could you estimate water usage and wear and tear on the washer/dryer - so I found that impractical. Here are some other opinions: https://community.intuit.com/post/detail/bUXlHqrQeqllvkab8P4pmk

And thank you for providing a humorous diversion in the throes of tax season :-)

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
What do you do where I live where the water bill is a flat figure; we have a lot of summer residents and they more or less support the rest of the town since they pay the same amount.

IDrinkYour Milkshake (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
Tex,

It was .50 until June 30th in 2008. Loads after then would be .52. Remember, it went back down to .51 in 2009.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

8 March 2009
Michael, I have several clients for whom we take a deduction for laundry - massage therapist, accupuncturist, hair dresser, cleaning lady. Each of them have specific items they use that need to be laundered. They can either go to the local laundromat (and we only have one really crummy one in Kona), and be able to take specific costs, or they can use their own washing machines and dryers. Except for the acupuncture guy, they choose to do the laundry at home and we take a deduction per load comparable to the laundromat.

Years ago in a personal audit, the auditor questioned my husband about tools he purchased. He was an auto mechanic and provided his own tools. Why would he keep the receipts? Does that make sense to anyone? The auditor allowed the entire deduction anyway since it was his profession, logical and not overstated. I would expect a similar situation with my clients unless we got someone with a real bug up their issues.

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2009
Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the replies.


I will have her figure out what the laundromat costs would be. I don't feel comfortable with $4, I think that is double what it would cost me but then again, I don't frequent coin operated laundry. I will have her tell me what the local laundromats charge and deduct that in other expenses on Schedule C.


Thanks, Michael

Uncle Sam (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2009
Why not have your client actually go down to a local laundromat, and take a photo of the prices listed on the machines, and take a photo of the outside of the laundromat to show that it's a local business?

IDrinkYour Milkshake (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2009
I do not like that approach. A laundromat has overhead costs that you would not incur if you wash at home. I would suggest go to a condo complex that has coin machines and use their rates. All this for a $100 deduction? I love it!

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2009
That's kind of the point. As long as the deduction is reasonable and customary for the area, it should be allowed. If you live in Hodunk, Someplace, laundry might cost 25cents a load to wash and 10 cents to dry still. But in Kailua Kona, Hawaii, it's more than that. Be reasonable and accurate.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2009
Everyone knows the laundry costs less to wash and dry in Hawaii, Action. The lava rocks are already hot.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2009
It's the cost of the electricty, Kevin. HELCO has the highest costs in the country. The lava rocks are pretty darn sharp and can tear things up in a heartbeat. Consequently, we've moved to more modernized methods of laundry in the last few years.

EZTAX (talk|edits) said:

9 March 2009
Agree with Uncle Sam and others that this is an ordinary and necessary business expense. Use coms from the local laudrymat and move on.

Brock And Associates (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2009
I drink your milkshake, no it isn't all this for a $100 deduction, it is all this for the client..and their friend and family referrals. But even beyond that, even if I never got a referral, it is for pride of a job done to the best of my ability.


I may not do the most returns in a season, but my clients pay me for a job well done and I make sure I give them more than even that. I may not be the most efficient but I work hard to do everything in my client's favor.


Not busting on you for your comment because I made it myself at times. But I do try to give more than my client's money worth because like any other employee, I should provide a greater value than I am paid. If I don't I can be replaced pretty easily.

Michael

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