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Jeremy C (talk|edits) said:

13 June 2008
Hello to all, I am new to the forum with regard to this being my first post. I read through the forum every now and again as it proves to be extremely helpful for current tax situations and/or future tax situations that each of us will likely encounter.

I am a CPA that would love to hear your thoughts on the following situation...the scenario is as follows:

A physician is recruited by a hospital in which the hospital agrees to an "income guarantee". Basically, the physician has a "line of credit" that he can pull from as he begins his new practice in this area. He has no ties to the hospital in terms of employment, i.e. he does not have to provide any special service to the hospital. This line of credit/guarantee helps pay the physicians personal and business expenses in his attempt to become profitable as a new physician. The physician can access this line of credit as he sees fit (up to a certain amount) for two years. When the two years has ended, the hospital agrees to forgive whatever amount the line of credit has grown to (again, to a certain threshold) over a two year period, i.e. 1/24 of the amount each month. However, in order for the hospital to agree to the forgiveness over the two year period the physician must stay in the "area" and basically work as a physician. Even at this point, the physician has no obligation to the hospital in terms of services provided to the hospital and/or referrals to the hospital. If the physician does move out of state, for instance, he will be required to pay back the outstanding amount with interest.

The hospital has issued an amount equal to six months of loan forgiveness for 2007 (filed an extension) on Form 1099, Box 7, Nonemployee Compensation. This begs the question as to the tax implications relative to this loan/income guarantee. Certainly it is income as suggested on the Form 1099, however, is it or should it be subject to the self employment tax, resulting in a Schedule C filing or is it debt forgiveness in which Form 1099C would more accurately reflect the nature of the income? We are dealing with a fairly large sum for the six months in 2007. He will not pay much in terms of the medicare/social security tax as he has not drawn a wage and his business is not profitable.

Thanks in advance for any and all responses...it is greatly appreciated. It is tremendous that folks are willing to take time to share thoughts and expertise as we run the gauntlet of income tax reporting and compliance.

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

13 June 2008
Agree that it is COD income. Don't see that this changes the taxation for SE tax purposes (it is all trade or business income). Don't believe that it is necessary to file 1099-C since the hospital is not a lending institution.

RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said:

13 June 2008
I don't see it as COD income, I see it as a payment in exchange for services. Much, like an advance on commissions that is to be offset by commissions earned. The line of credit is the funding method.

Agree with Riley that the amounts are subject to SE tax.

DerekCPA (talk|edits) said:

13 June 2008
I see this a lot in my practice and agree with my esteemed colleagues that it is SE income. As Roy said, I see it as a services payment.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

13 June 2008
Make sure this doctor does not end up in the jug (or in financial purgatory) by violating any of the whistleblower laws concerning doctors and hospitals, and Medicaid particularly, and all the rest of it.

I went to a one day CLE seminar on this, but I can't remember much of it because I was sick with a 106% fever, and couldn't afford to go to the doctor. The left lobe of my brain burned out, which left me very uncreative. But anyway, if the brain I have intact can be of any service... well, I forgot what I was going to say. Never mind.

Jeremy C (talk|edits) said:

13 June 2008
First off, thank you for the the responses, it is greatly appreciated.

I am still going back and forth on this one, I can see the argument for and against with regard to the SE tax. It seems to me that there is a argument that the hospital is a lending institution in this sense and this "line of credit" is in fact merely debt that must be repaid if the physician leaves the general area within two years post the line of credit terms which is two years as well, i.e. he can draw on the line of credit of two years. The hospital believes they will benefit from this physician being in the area otherwise they would not agree to do this. However, this physician has no allegiance and/or obligation to the hospital in any way. He does not have to refer patients and/or perform surgeries at this hospital...in that sense it feels more like the regular acquisition of capital via a bank or lending institution of your choice. I suppose you guys and gals would agree that forgiveness of debt via the traditional acquisition of capital (go to a bank and get a loan to start a business) would be subject to the SE tax as well? If you agree that this "traditional" route would not be SE tax then I think there is potential argument that this is very similar in that the hospital is merely acting as the lending institution.

Any further responses will be gladly accepted and appreciated as I my head is kind of spinning right now. Maybe I am just trying to come up with something that just isn't there.

WIBadgerCPA (talk|edits) said:

13 June 2008
If its SE income, why is it not taxed when he receives it? If he uses the money for personal expenses (non-deductible) and pays pay back the loan after two years, there would be no SE tax, correct? Odd that the issue of SE tax would hinge on whether a loan payment was made or not.

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

13 June 2008
Good point. The Service will respect a transaction as a loan if there is an unconditional obligation to repay the loan. Arguably, there is no unconditional obligation to repay the advances.

Mattcpa (talk|edits) said:

28 August 2008
Has anyone dealt with this in the manner that the practice the physician works for who received this income to subsidize thier salary should be the one to pick up the debt forgiveness income? For example - let's call him or her, "New doc". He or she goes to work for Practice A. "New doc" as part of their employment agrees to sign over the subsidy from the hospital in the amount of 240K for 2 years. New Doc signs over the subsidy payments to the practice as he/she receives them. After 2 years the hospital starts to forgive the debt over a 4 year period (common to the main hospital in our area). Practice A is the one who benefitted from the addtional moneys and in some cases may have already picked up the 240K into income. That being said, the income may have already been recorded by Practice A and even if it hasnt, the practice has benefitted from the moneys and I feel should be the one to report the debt forgiveness income. I actaully saw this suggestion in an article I read. If the hospital wont issue the 1099 to the practice, then I may suggest backing the income off the Schedule C as "Income reported under Practice A - Fed ID 34-1234567" under the returns and allowances line and zero out the schedule C for new doc. I would be interested to hear everyones thoughts on this.

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