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NAME TOTAL 2006 RETURNS AUDITS IN 2007 FOR ALL YEARS CP-2000 NOTICES STATE NOTICES
DZCPA 1200 6 30? ?
www.cpa1.biz 120 0 ? ?
rgtaxservice 202 0 3 1
DonnieCastleman 300 0 2 0
Dusty 480 0 ? ?
TheTinCook 220 0 0 0
Landon5784 100 0 ? ?
Death&Taxes 500 0 20 to 25 0
Taocpa 125 0 ? ?
FLAcct 200 1 0 0
Marooncpa 200 0 ? ?
TaxNerd 700 3 0 0
Bella 325 0 ? ?
Kathyt 700 0 0 0
PVVCPA 250 1 ~5 ~2
Kevinh5 502 1 15 10
Arlo 120 0 0 0

Tdoyle (talk|edits) said:

7 January 2008
This is the 2007 version of this popular topic. See Discussion:How Many Audits Did You Have in 2006? for last year's discussion and results.

Here is the introduction from DZCPA from last year: "How many audits did you have in 2007 on Individual tax returns you prepared? No CP 2000 or line item audits. You know... the full blown type, field or correspondence. Just the major stuff accountants dread. Not bragging...just good info to let the preparers know whats REALLY happening with all those RED FLAGS! (You can add your name or fake one if you wish to list by using the edit this page feature on top of screen.")

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
Please fill in like we did last year.
No CP 2000 or line item audits. You know... the full blown type, field or correspondence. Just the major stuff accountants dread. Not bragging...just good info to let the preparers know whats REALLY happening with all those RED FLAGS! (You can add your name or fake one if you wish to list by using the edit this page feature on top of screen.")

PVVCPA (talk|edits) said:

January 9, 2008
Only 1040s?

Rgtaxservice (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
No Audits, just 3 Cp-2000s. Did 202 returns.

Donniecastleman (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
No audits, did 300 returns. Had 1 in 2006 and they still think it's all my fault.

TheTinCook (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
Did 220. No audits on my work. Handled some CP-2000 stock basis issues.

Landon5784 (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
100 +or- 1040's no audits no cp-2000

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
Many, many CP-2000s but no audits: 500+ returns. I see the first of the 2006 CP-2000s on my fax machine tonight.

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
I had at least 5 CP-2000's but no audit's last year. 125+ Returns.

FLAcct (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
1 Audit of 2005 1040; 2 CP-2000 notices for 2005 1040s; approx 200 returns prepared each year.

Marooncpa (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
200 returns, no audits

TaxNerd (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2008
700 returns, three audits, and I didn't have any for a few years, so looks like they're back.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

10 January 2008
Doyle, Thank you for updating the chart. We got 28 responses last year.

TheTinCook (talk|edits) said:

10 January 2008
700? 1200!?! You guys make me feel like a slacker.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

10 January 2008
Been in the business over 20 years. Purchased 5 accounting/tax firms. You will be there soon if organized and not a nit picker.

Tdoyle (talk|edits) said:

January 10, 2008
You're very welcome!

- Tim Doyle, TaxAlmanac Moderator - Talk to me 13:05, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Belle (talk|edits) said:

10 January 2008
I'm afraid to answer for fear of jinxing things....

325 returns, zero audit, 3-4 CP 2000's

Kathyt (talk|edits) said:

10 January 2008
700 Returns, 1 Audit. No idea on the CP2000's, didn't keep track.

Olycraig (talk|edits) said:

11 January 2008
400 returns, no audits. 3-4 CP2000s

Taxstudent (talk|edits) said:

11 January 2008
The table doesn't work for non-signing preparers. We're more likely to be working on the 2004 or 2005 audits right now and may not even know about a 2006 audit until later this year, after the main preparer has been working on the audit for several months.

PVVCPA (talk|edits) said:

January 11, 2008
DZ, 1200 returns! I do the math and I still can't fathom how you can even do half as much. Do your clients line up outside your office like cattle? Can you give us a couple examples of what you see other preparers doing that you consider nit-picking?

I always find myself nit-picking about things like making my client provide 'something' that I can use for basis in that stock they sold, or splitting mortgage interest for equity taken out of their home or rental property, or doing at-risk or basis calculation to limit S-Corp and Partnership losses. This is the kinda stuff that slows down the prep for me.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

12 January 2008
I see 50 per week on Monday thru Saturday 9 to 7pm during 10 weeks = 500. 400 get mailed in and are prepared by temp tax preparers @ $50 per hour. I review after 8pm to 10pm and on Sundays. 300 are extended due to getting stuff to me after April 8th. My definition of Nit-piking = Having clients who have trusted you, worked with for years, make go and prove information they wrote or verbally told you because you do not trust or believe them. Not talking about obvious errors here.

PVVCPA (talk|edits) said:

January 12, 2008
David, OK. The math works, but still Wow! I can't believe that you don't make them go home and bring back proof of that all-important DMV deduction. :) I used to work with some people who would be willing to make up stock basis just to keep that tax return moving.

Are you including all of your non-1040s in that 1200?

Cmts707 (talk|edits) said:

12 January 2008
What does the CP in CP-2000 stand for?

Also, can anyone list the different type of CP Notices and what they refer to?

seems like I have seen many different CP notices but it would help if there was an index of them all....

any help?

Example:

Notice Number: CP-289 Annual Installment Agreement Statement

_____________ ALSO

I get the difference between field & correspondence or letter audits

(correspondence and letter audits are same, correct?)

What is the difference between CP-2000 and a letter audit

Should I be calling these "examinations" rather than "audits"

Stayed up most of ther night prep of return work, that's why this may come across as incoherent

Thanks for the help all the same

TxSrv (talk|edits) said:

14 January 2008
Use of "CP" goes way back too far to be relevant as to etymology, but I guess it may merely mean "computer printed." It would differentiate them from form letters and notices from a printing press.

The complete list is in Document 6209, Chapter 9, available @:

www.irs.gov/foia/article/0,,id=150945,00.html.

If IRS uses synonyms other than "examination," such as audit, it is not intended to mean something different. The statute (7602) uses that word, and an "examination" can be one oral question posed to a t/p who declines to answer it. T/p is entitled to a report of examination following such an inquiry. More importantly under 7602, specific written approval is required for a 2nd examination of that tax period and tax.

The essential distinctions between correspondence exams, info returns match, and all the others is minimum scope and depth of exam, and salary and training of the examiner. Correspondence exams, e.g., do not require mandatory consideration of prior/subsequent years or related returns.

CP-2000 by nature restrict itself to the 1099/W-2 items, and the program is designed so that the returns need not be manually reviewed for other issues. Consequently also, approval to reopen a closed CP-2000 case is virtually automatic.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

14 January 2008
Anybody else want to contribute their stats? I can add your info to the chart. Last years chart was very helpful in explaining the risk of audit to nervous clients. Surprising, many taxpayers decide to not deduct legitimate deductions/overstate income due to the fear of an audit.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

14 January 2008
My numbers are skewed because I specifically advertise for people with tax problems, so I get the self-prepared returns when they receive the CP-2000 or state letters. Of the returns I prepared, far far far fewer notices.

PVVCPA (talk|edits) said:

January 14, 2008
When my clients ask if they should not claim legitimate deductions for fear of an audit, I tell them that they have 3% chance of being audited and at worst a 50% chance of losing that deduction in the audit. However, they have a 100% chance of losing that deduction if they don't claim it at all.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

16 January 2008
So far..6,124 returns 12 audits. = Less than 2/10th's of a percent. (.00196)

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

16 January 2008
DZ, I would assume that self-prepared returns ought to have a higher frequency of audits. Don't you think so too?

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

16 January 2008
Yes. You are correct. Greater chance of error.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

16 January 2008
or 'intentional error'  ;)

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

16 January 2008
BTW, for the chart, I would estimate 20-25 CP2000s.

Zornundo (talk|edits) said:

2008-01-17
Funny thing is that I was never assigned any 2006 returns last year. I expect my next crop of returns to be mainly 2006, but I guess I'll see in a little bit.

PVVCPA (talk|edits) said:

January 17, 2008
Zornundo, wouldn't it be a little early for 2006? The one audit I had during 2007 was for a 2005 return. I don't expect to see any 2006 returns getting selected until right about now.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

18 January 2008
Arlo, I added your numbers here.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

January 18, 2008
Paul, where does the 3% and 50% come from?

Donniecastleman (talk|edits) said:

18 January 2008
Shoot, 1200 returns would be pretty easy if you have help, I'm planning on stopping at 1,000 returns, when you consider that 25% of my work is in the off-season, 750 returns is quite attainable in season. In that way, 1200 returns that DZ does (and is a very nice and competent professional) is pretty attainable putting in 15 hour days 400 returns a month would be a lot of work but worth it, I'll sleep later!

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

18 January 2008
I think the key to that many returns is beginning with the first day possible. My tax lawyer, ex-boss, would begin to see clients every hour on the hour from 10am thru 8pm beginning about January 21st....and these were not 1040, A & B returns but most had 2106, D, E etc. Of course, he would not finish every return nor most of them at the beginning, but rather they would be put 'on hold' for missing information. When that information came in, oft-times I or someone else would finish them.....this was pre-1990 and most were done by hand. He has wonderfully consistent hand-writing that was not easy to read until you became used to it. You could see where I would add numbers for then the writing turned to chicken scratching.

Clients would make their appointments for the next year as they left the office, or 80% would so that even now I believe his appointment book is filled by Thanksgiving.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

18 January 2008
This just in: http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=177701,00.html

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