Discussion:Health Care or other Fringe Benefits for S Corp. S/H owning 2 %
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| 2009-08-07 | |
| For S Corp. S/H owning > 2 % share, what kind of Health Care or other Fringe Benefits would you recommend, which is not needed to be reported as income by shareholder? | |
| 7 August 2009 | |
| Take a look at Sec. 132 (other than transportation fringes). Also, take a look at Sec. 129. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 7 August 2009 |
| I didn't realize that *shareholders* could have fringe benefits. I thought *shareholders* got dividends from corporations, distributions from S corporations. | |
| 8 August 2009 | |
| Make sure that your S shareholder/employee clients take advantage of the on-premises athletic facility exclusion and meals in employer eating facilities exclusion. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 9 August 2009 |
| "...on-premises athletic facility exclusion and meals in employer eating facilities exclusion."
...I'm still looking, still looking...! LOL I hope you meant that to be funny, cuz it was! It really was!! | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 9 August 2009 |
| I have always liked the lodging for the convenience of the employer bit myself. Sec. 119 | |
| 10 August 2009 | |
| Harry, believe it or not -- I was serious about the on-premises gym and employer provided meals. | |
| 10 August 2009 | |
| Only minor types of employee benefits are tax free to the >2% shareholder employee. Such as free cups of coffee from the office coffee pot, infrequent personal use of the office copy machine, infrequent personal use of the office phone, etc. All other benefits are taxable. | |
| 10 August 2009 | |
| Not really. All Sec. 132 benefits, except transportation fringes, are available to more than 2% shareholders. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 10 August 2009 |
| TaxTeckTwo: Sorry if I may have come off as impertinent with my response to your observation about the gym and meals. Actually I was laughing more at myself than at your comment.
I started doing small business income taxes more than thirty years ago, and - best I can remember - I never ran into either one. Never had a client with a gym and never had client with an eating facility. Maybe the closest I ever came to "employer-provided meals" is the time I pointed out to a client that when he "buried" his grocery bills in the "Meals and Entertainment" account, he got a deduction for only 50% of what he spent. He started putting the grocery bills into "Office Supplies" the next year. He was one of my smarter clients. Don't get me started on how "smart" clients can sometimes be... | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 10 August 2009 |
| Harry: Riley mentions 132 in this golden oldie: Discussion: 100% meal deduction. I was upstairs a few minutes ago and noticed the Ablounge we bought when it was first advertised on television. Since the room, which is 31 x 20, is used for little but the occasional summer guest, I might be halfway home to having a gym.]] | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 10 August 2009 |
| We once had a fistfight in the lunch room between two employees. Does that make the lunch room deductible *twice* - once as an "employer-provided on-premises athletic facility" and once as an "employer-provided on-premises eating facility"?
But maybe it's not deductible at all, as an "entertainment facility" [Section 274(a)(1)(B)]? | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 10 August 2009 |
| But it can be done: 15 years ago I consulted with a businessman in Connecticut who was having audit problems. In the building he rented, there was an employee lunch room, filled with vending machines. The coins put in them financed employee picnics on the grounds in summer. He claimed that every Friday, it was pizza and hero day, when he paid for these delicacies for his 15 or so workers, including himself.
I remember the stationary bike in his office; I realize now that had he moved it into a another room, he could have had a gym, but he was not that bold. So why the audits? The publishing company was S Corp, yet he took no salary but rather paid a management fee to a C Corporation that he owned. That corporation paid his health insurance, a small salary and a large consulting fee. That fee gave him a wonderful defined benefit plan using his Schedule C income. The employees of the S were not covered for health insurance and had no pension nor 401K, but they had this wonderful lunch room and employee picnics, all de minimis benefits. At that time he was fighting with NYC where his office used to be, but had received an audit letter from IRS. He took me to his beautiful house, on Long Island Sound, to show me the latter. I told him I did not have the time to represent him, but also noted that he had, lunchroom excepted, real problems with his setup. | |
Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said: | 10 August 2009 |
| Section 414...? | |
Actionbsns (talk|edits) said: | 10 August 2009 |
| My building doesn't have an elevator so I have to walk up the stairs to get to my office. Does this qualify as "on premises athletic facility"? It does affect the cardio-vascular system. | |
| 10 August 2009 | |
| The exclusion issue is separate and apart from the deduction issue. An on-premises gym provided primarily for the benefit of HCE's may be nondeductible to the employer, but excluded from the HCE's gross income. | |


