Discussion:HOH claims 27 yo child w/ $70k inc

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YBSad (talk|edits) said:

2006-04-14
mother still insists that she wants to claim child as her QC but not dependent. the child still lives w/ mom but earns $70k & co-owns a 2nd residence.

can she still be HOH or shld she be single now?

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
Maybe he's the HOH and she's the QC!

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
HAHAHA!!

MHuneke (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
I do not think the HOH has any income limitations on the child. So long as the child lives with the mother all year.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
Sure, and mom contributed more than 1/2 for the home, right? Only then...

Jdugancpa (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
For HOH T/P must maintain as principal abode for more than 1/2 year: 1) a QC or, 2) another other person who is a dependent whom T/P gets to claim as a dependency deduction. Is 27 year old a QC? No, he fails the age requirement. Is 27 year old otherwise a dependent? No. Ergo, no HOH, must file as single.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
They don't have to be your dependent, JD, merely a QC, and I've no time to seek out that definition for HOH status, but I don't believe that age enters into it.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
I still think that if the child is earning 70K per year, they should not be claimed as a dependent and qualifying child or dependent for tax purposes. Their single rate with filing as a dependent on another's return would be redundant. Maybe no income limitations, but come on now....this home must be very expensive to keep up if the child cannot support her/himself on the 70K. This HOH was created for the person who had to fund living expenses for the child...they did not earn enough. As far as the child co-owning another residence...are they taking writeoffs for this residence/mortgage interest, taxes, etc?

Seems to me that this child is taking care of themselves and just helping parent achieve a lower tax liability. Am I sounding too judgmental? Maybe, but I think with all the facts, the parent would be single and taxed at that rate....my humble opinion as always :)

YBSad (talk|edits) said:

2006-04-14
child is not a dependent, but wants to remain a QC to lessen mom's tax. mom makes $100k & is main signor on 2nd prop. child is co-signor but mom will quitclaim eventually. child filed using 2nd prop as primary residence tho still lives w/ mom. i'm leaning on single for the mom, but maybe HOH is still possible. more input?

Sw (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
When I first read this I thought NO WAY, but it looks like that as long as the child is living there the entire year and mom is paying over 1/2 the cost of rent, taxes, interest, utilities, repairs, insurance,and food eaten at the house she qualifies.

Beengel (talk|edits) said:

April 14, 2006
I don't see how the adult qualifies as a "qualifying child". The uniform IRS definiation is:

"Uniform Definition A “qualifying child” may enable a taxpayer to claim several tax benefits, such as head of household filing status, the exemption for a dependent, the child tax credit, the child and dependent care credit and the earned income tax credit. Prior to 2005, each of these items defined a qualifying child differently, leaving many taxpayers confused.

The Working Families Tax Relief Act of 2004 set a uniform definition of a qualifying child, beginning for Tax Year 2005. This standard definition applies to all five of the tax benefits noted above, with each benefit having some additional rules.

In general, to be a taxpayer’s qualifying child, a person must satisfy four tests:

Relationship — the taxpayer’s child or stepchild (whether by blood or adoption), foster child, sibling or stepsibling, or a descendant of one of these. Residence — has the same principal residence as the taxpayer for more than half the tax year. Exceptions apply, in certain cases, for children of divorced or separated parents, kidnapped children, temporary absences, and for children who were born or died during the year. Age — must be under the age of 19 at the end of the tax year, or under the age of 24 if a full-time student for at least five months of the year, or be permanently and totally disabled at any time during the year. Support — did not provide more than one-half of his/her own support for the year.

Additional Rules

While the four qualifying child tests generally apply for the five tax benefits noted above, there are some additions or variations for particular provisions:

Dependent — a qualifying child must also meet these tests:

Nationality — be a U.S. citizen or national, or a resident of the U.S., Canada or Mexico. There is an exception for certain adopted children. Marital status — if married, did not file a joint return for that year, unless the return is filed only as a claim for refund and no tax liability would exist for either spouse if they had filed separate returns. Head of Household Filing Status — a qualifying child is determined without regard to the exception for children of divorced or separated parents. Also, a qualifying child who is married at the end of the year must meet the marital status and nationality tests for a dependent (above).

Credit for Child and Dependent Care Expenses — a qualifying child must be under the age of 13 or permanently and totally disabled. A qualifying child is determined without regard to the exception for children of divorced or separated parents and the exception for kidnapped children.

Child Tax Credit — a qualifying child must be under age 17 and a U.S. citizen or national or a U.S. resident.

Earned Income Tax Credit — a qualifying child does not have to meet the support test. Also, a qualifying child must have lived with the taxpayer in the United States for more than half the year and have a social security number that is valid for employment in the United States. A qualifying child is determined without regard to the exception for children of divorced or separated parents. If a qualifying child is married, he or she must also meet the marital status and nationality tests for a dependent (above).

Changes to Certain Benefits The new law does not change the operation of the Child Tax Credit, but it does affect these benefits:

Dependent — There are two types of dependents, a qualifying child and a qualifying relative. The five dependency tests — relationship, gross income, support, joint return and citizenship/residency — continue to apply to a qualifying relative. A child who is not a qualifying child might still be a dependent as a qualifying relative. If you are a dependent of another person, you cannot claim any dependents on your own return. .

Head of Household Filing Status — A taxpayer is eligible for head of household filing status only with respect to a qualifying child or the taxpayer’s dependent. But the taxpayer cannot file as head of household for a person who is a dependent only because he or she lived with the taxpayer for the whole year or because the taxpayer may claim him or her as a dependent under a multiple support agreement.

Child Tax Credit — The taxpayer is no longer required to care for a foster child, sibling, or sibling’s descendant as one’s own child.

Credit for Child and Dependent Care Expenses — The taxpayer is no longer required to pay over half the costs of maintaining a household for the qualifying individual. But, an individual who is not a qualifying child must have the same principal residence as the taxpayer for more than half the year.

Earned Income Tax Credit — The taxpayer is no longer required to care for a foster child, sibling, or sibling’s descendant as one’s own child."

I would not want to be the preparer signing that return....

Inagpurwala (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
I agree with Beengel. Long but clear explanation.Inagpurwala 15:15, 14 April 2006 (CDT)

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
Forget the HOH. The child is not a QC because he is too old. The child is not a QR because his gross income is too high.

Jdugancpa (talk|edits) said:

14 April 2006
I think that is what I said way long ago.

Lalva (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2006
I agree with Riley2!!!

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2006
Always always always agree with Riley. It saves time.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2006
hehehe jr...sorry had to laugh :)

Taxea (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2006
Not only all of what Riley says but he filed his taxes with the other address how is he going to justify that he is living with her when his primary residence is reported as elsewhere. This is exactly what you said it is...he is trying to save dear old mom money...not kosher. they are both single

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