Discussion:Forgot extension - now what?
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| August 17, 2007 | |
| New nonprofit client asks me via email if I'll file a second extension for them (due 8/15). Yes, I said, and put a tag on the email to remind me on 8/14. Reminder didn't come up, and I forgot to do the extension. How would you handle that (besides apologizing profusely)? | |
| 17 August 2007 | |
| Explain to the client what happened and assure them that you are responsible for the penalty and need to file the return as soon as possible. If and when the penalty assessment arrives, send a check for payment along with an abatement request.
Explain to client that you have paid the penalty, and ask that if it's refunded based on your abatement request, to please return the funds to you. The course of events was not optimal, but it really does feel pretty good to be able to say to everyone that you guarantee your work and are accountable for errors. | |
| 17 August 2007 | |
| Hi ask for abatement first fall on the sword with the IRS and you should get good results if not then pay. Its ten times harder to get the money back after you give it to the IRS. bye | |
Taxcurmudgeon (talk|edits) said: | 17 August 2007 |
| Nonprofit? 990 for calendar year-end was due May 15. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 17 August 2007 |
| Form 8868 gave Natalie three months | |
| August 18, 2007 | |
| Thanks for the feedback. Client filed the first extension from May 15 to August 15. Client understands the mistake and is not holding it against me. The really unfortunate thing is that they just had a $4,000 penalty abated for 2005. In fact, they initially paid the penalty because they needed a tax clearance. They just got the refund this week! Ahhh. I did offer to pay the penalty provided the return is filed by the end of the month. | |
| 18 August 2007 | |
| In your request for abatement, ensure you use the excuse that it was assumed extensions for exempt organizations were for 6 months like other entities. | |
| August 18, 2007 | |
| After learning about that 2005 abatement request, I was thinking that we shouldn't even try to request an abatement for 2006. The 2005 request was done in June this year. They mentioned in the letter they were in transition with accountants, weren't aware the extension was due, had filed the first extension for 2006 and that they would file on time for 2006. | |
The Hammer (talk|edits) said: | 20 August 2007 |
| OK going off this thread. Got a client who possibly has tax liability per 2006 did not file x-tension so the question poses--what happens now? | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 20 August 2007 |
| An extension does not extend the time to pay - only the time to file. Client will get a nastygram with a penalty. | |
| September 28, 2007 | |
| Okay, the "nastygram" just arrived with a $340 penalty. I was planning on writing a letter asking for abatement, but I'm afraid the answer from the IRS will be no because they just received an abatement earlier this year for the prior year. The penalty should actually be only $160 or $170 because it was only 16 days late (due 8/15/07 and electronically filed 8/31/07). Do you think I should:
1. Ask for the waiver and also mention that the return was only 16 days late, not 34? 2. Only ask for a correction to the penalty amount? 3. Only ask for the total waiver and hope for the best? One final question. Payment is due 10/15/07. Should I pay the penalty now and request a refund? | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 28 September 2007 |
| Since you feel it was your fault, advance the money so that the client doesn't keep getting 'nastygrams' as you so elegantly put it, but let them know that if IRS does abate any part of the penalty, you expect to be repaid. And in your appeal of the entire penalty, note that they have changed accountants to avoid the mistakes of the past. | |
| September 28, 2007 | |
| I got the term "nastygram" from BL. As I mentioned above, the client already used the excuse of changing accountants. The penalty calc is wrong. Should I just pay $170 and request full abatement? Or $340 and hope for a return of some of it? Actually, since I have quite a backlog of work right now, maybe I should just pay the $170 with a request to reduce the penalty for the actual days late. (I have no idea where they got $340 from.) | |
| 28 September 2007 | |
| Natalie, you might try calling the Tax Practitioner hotline at 866 860 4259. I've found them to be sympathetic to preparers and I think they can abate the penalty over the phone. It's worth a shot. You'll need the POA from the client. The penalties are for noncomplying taxpayers, not for overwhelmed preparers. Good luck with this. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 28 September 2007 |
| The other thing is that apparently since they only filed the 2005 abatement this year, the entire process was still going on. Pay the entire amount; I have found IRS to be honorable about holding money....and this way the letters stop and let you get on with work.....in fact pay it now, and come back to this after the filing deadline....that is what I would do in your shoes. | |
| September 28, 2007 | |
| I agree with Wes; I'd not pay the penalty yet. You might try Beth's suggestion to try to take care of it over the phone. As an alternative, write a convincing letter to IRS explaining that it was not the taxpayer's fault, they relied on professional advice, and that it won't happen again because YOUR FIRM set up such and such procedure to ensure that your tickler system does not fail you again. Here's a link to an excellent article in the AICPA The CPA Letter from Feb 2004 (Small Firms Supplement) that I always use as my guide in writing such penalty abatement requests to IRS. See page 4. [1] | |
| October 2, 2007 | |
| Okay, I've decided to request full abatement and to send the check with the letter. Next question, do I write the check out to the IRS or to the client? I'm thinking that if I write it to the IRS, they may not be as inclined to waive the penalty because they'll see it's being paid by me. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 2 October 2007 |
| I have written the check to the Service a number of times; I see no problem. | |
| October 2, 2007 | |
| Thanks D&T. Perhaps having the check come directly from me will be better anyhow. In the letter I put the full blame on myself. | |
| December 4, 2007 | |
| Update - client received a full refund of the penalty today and is going to send me a reimbursement check. | |
| 5 December 2007 | |
| Yeah! Great to hear that Natalie and a great example of what a good resource this board can be! | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 5 December 2007 |
| Glad to hear some good news. | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 8 December 2007 |
| I've got one of these too. I've never had any luck begging forgiveness but based on your good luck, I'll give it a try. | |
| December 9, 2007 | |
| BL, I think the IRS is more flexible with nonprofits because they realize the nature of their operations (lack of funds to pay professionals, etc.). | |
| 9 December 2007 | |
| Penalties for late filing of Form 990 are normally easy to have abated by demonstrating "reasonable cause." Unless the filer has demonstrated "willful neglect" of filing responsibilities, abatement should be granted (sec 301.6652-2).
Reg Sec 301.6651-1(c)(1) says "if the taxpayer exercised ordinary business care and prudence and was nevertheless unable to file the return within the prescribed time, then the delay is due to a reasonable cause." I have for many years relied on Treas Reg Sec 301.6724-1 for guidance with reasonable cause arguments, with 100% success with nonprofits and Form 990. Generally, I find that I only need to establish that there are "significant mitigating factors," and that the filer acted responsibly. First, I establish exactly what led to the late filing. If it is a first time filing of Form 990, or if the filer has a good history of compliance, or if the nonprofit is small and is run by volunteers, these are "significant mitigating factors." Then I establish that the filer acted responsibly once the non-filing was discovered by preparing and filing the return within a reasonable period of time. The argument is even more powerful if the error is corrected BEFORE being discovered by the IRS. This demonstrates that the organization is acting responsibly and in good faith. The same reasonable cause provisions that are available to the filer are also available to the filer's agent (CPA). So if you are the CPA responsible for the extension and missed because your tickler file or due-date tracking system failed, you can make a reasonable cause arguement (unless perhaps you have established a history of missing deadlines). The fact that you are correcting the error shows that you are acting responsibly. The fact that you have a due date tracking system shows the same. As suggested in a post above, you should always explain to the IRS what procedures the filer has put into place to prevent future compliance failures. I always end by "respectfully requesting that all assessed penalties and interest be abated." Then I thank the IRS for their forbearance and consideration. I have never advised a client to pay late filing penalties before requesting abatement. No need to pay unless willful neglect is overwhelmingly evident. I just got abatement for a nonprofit client that was assessed a $20,000 late filing penalty. Even after being notified by the IRS of the delinquency, the client took 10 months to actually file the return and had received "intent to levy " notice! As noted in previous posts, the IRS is quite forgiving of nonprofits, and seems particularly inclined to abate when a well composed and logical reasonable cause argument is sent. I once worked for a large firm that had a 14 page "standardized" abatement request letter that cited every case known to man. It never failed. I've pared it down to about 3 or 4 pages and made it a lot more friendly. Bottom line: charities should not be sending money to the IRS for late filing of Form 990, but be advised of the new filing requirements regarding Form 9909-N. | |
| 11 June 2008 | |
| Thank you for the discussion. My organization just had a similar issue. We got a nastygram asking for a lot of money for our little nonprofit - even though we filed the actual return before the IRS realized we were late! I'll write a "well composed and reasonable" letter per CPAdavid. Wish me luck. | |
| 28 August 2008 | |
| Update: It worked out just fine. IRS very reasonable and easy to work with. Letter accepted and all penalties abated! Thanks again for the discussion. | |
| 30 October 2008 | |
| I filed an extension for my agencies 990 then several months later i recieved a notice that the IRS did not receive the form 990 so I filed it online. Now I recieved a letter stating that I owe 20k in penalties....I am going to write an abatement letter, but I am not sure if it will work. Any suggestions? | |


