Discussion:Do tax returns "look" better when filed by a CPA
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| 10 January 2007 | |
| For years, we have been paying a CPA to do our federal taxes, and really, there's not much too it. Just seems pretty mechanical. As such, being a small company, part of me wants to go ahead and just do the taxes on my own for 2006.
However, I keep remembering how someone said that the IRS seems to give favor to taxes that are filed with a CPA. I'm not suggesting that the IRS just ignores it and moves on. No. Rather, i was told that it just, overall "looks" better and that the IRS seems to not be as weary when a small business uses a CPA versus when they file their own taxes. Any strength to that argument? Of course, if many of you are CPAs, then i should expect a bias response. But the point did make sense to me. Just trying to decide if it is worth paying $250 for something that may take an hour or two (max) of my time. Seems like the bulk of that amount is for the comfort of having the cpa do it and hope that prevents an audit. Perhaps wishful thinking. | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| Right is right. Wrong is wrong. If you can correctly self do your return in an hour or two, you have no need for a CPA. Enjoy. | |
| January 10, 2007 | |
| In my unbiased opinion, tax returns always look better when prepared by a CPA. Without the signature of a CPA, your chances of being audited increase tenfold. Never question your CPA - they are always right. Enjoy. | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| Cazint: It's a loaded question because we can only take your word that there is "not much" to your return and the preparation is "pretty mechanical".
If you scour the various threads in Tax Almanac you will see people like yourself realizing that their initial questions were not as easy as they thought. (This also happens to tax preparers with either little over-all experience or preparers with many years of experience, but not in the particular area in which they are asking the question. However, in the latter case the experienced preparer usually qualifies the question with, "I'm not sure whether this is a complicated issue or not . . .") Your return may well be easy, all I am saying is that we don't know. Asking a bunch of people who do not know your capabilities or your business is kind of futile. We already know you only want an answer that is acceptable to you. ("Of course, if many of you are CPAs, then i should expect a bias response.") All that being said, you should have a good enough relationship with your CPA that you can ask him/her the question and get a straight answer. Presumably a $250 per year client is not worth it to them to lie to you merely to keep your business. (If it is, you need a new CPA anyway.) S/he can go over with you the pros and cons of you self-preparing your return. Also keep in mind that the time you spend preparing the return can be spent drumming up new business, spending time with your family, etc. | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| I agree wholeheartedly that the time you spend slogging through the paperwork is probably better spent in a thousand other more profitable ways for your business. Hiring an accountant is delegation. The whole point of delegation is that it frees you up to focus on the things you do best and the things you want to do more.
Another point in favour of hiring a CPA - or EA! - is that their job is to stay on top of new tax laws. The fact that "last year's looks easy" may have no bearing at all on whether this year's is easy or not. Aren't you eligible for the crazy new Domestic Production Activities Deduction? When you buy your next car, which make or model will give you the biggest tax cut? Should you change the ratio of your salary and dividends this year? Do you have the best retirement savings plan possible? If you're not sure, then maybe what you need to do is switch to a CPA or EA who will do tax planning as well as tax prep. This costs more - expect to pay at least double what you're paying now - and expect to save more (in tax) than the extra it's costing you. If you still want to go it on your own, you may want to do what a number of my clients do: Prepare their own return, and then come to me for review of the paperwork and tax advice. This has the lowest cost to you (and it's more fun for me). You get the maximum benefit of their wisdom and advice, while saving money by doing the donkey work yourself. Plus, if it turns out you're not as adept at tax as you thought you were, the person catching it is someone who likes you rather than the IRS. | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| Lizzit hit it right on, and as PGatto said.
For you do-it-yourselfers, it's not merely the filling out the forms that's important, but the ability to distinguish important facts of a given situation and interpret them into compliant tax law - the ability apply knowledge to judge and advise. CPAs and EAs must go to CPE sessions each year to learn the new tax law changes-that costs time and money. Merely by having a CPA signature on the tax return doesn't guarantee anything. Plenty of CPAs make plenty of blunders on returns and really shouldn't be preparing returns. But the risk of not having a compliant tax return would usually be lower than a do-it-yourselfer return. Are you aware that there are special rules for depreciation, entertainment, auto expenses, office-in-home expenses where to prepare the return properly you need to know what facts determine which treatment? So go ahead Mr. do-it-yourselfer, save money - after all, what do you need a knowledgeable person for just to do preparation of returns? | |
| January 10, 2007 | |
| FTF's response is a keeper! So I guess that it's been ME that's been wrong when reviewing some of those CPA filed returns...dang. And wondering why so many CPA's pose tax questions here....Yes, right is right, that's what matters. And can say that CPA's are in fact, trained auditors, not tax folk. Ahem. *running* | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 10 January 2007 |
| Solomon, you hit the nail on the head!!! The problem is that you are paying the CPA for the simplest part of his job and not using him/her for the advice they can give to help your business. Taking a trial balance and dropping it on the 1120 or 1120S takes nothing, so perhaps you are asking the wrong question and should be asking 'what are you doing for us?' | |
Corptaxhelp (talk|edits) said: | January 10, 2007 |
| Wow, Cazint! I can't even get my personal taxes done for $250. How many hours does $250 buy in your neighborhood?
If your return really is that simple, you can probably do it yourself. I don't think you are any more likely to be audited if you do the return yourself all else being equal. If I were you, I'd prepare my own return for 2006 and take it and my 2005 return to a different CPA. If that CPA gives you a clean bill of health for both years, you're safe to file on your own. If the second CPA, however, finds missed deductions or asks you questions neither you nor the last CPA thought to ask, I'd let the new CPA do your taxes. If you can really get your business taxes done for $250, that is a heck of a deal and you'd be foolish to pass up the expertise. Penny wise and pound foolish or something along those lines. | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| Thanks for your replies.
(1) $250 seems like a lot to my humble little brain, but you guys are certainly correct in that it indeed is NOT, as after checking around last year, most companies were WAY of $250. (2) Yes my business taxes are very simple. Mind you, this may be a direct result of the fact that the current CPA does not do a whole lot more than copy my Income Statement and Balance Sheet data over to the appropriate forms. That is why I said mechanical. Perhaps the reason for paying more money is so the cpa can save me a lot more. (3) However, none of those points answered the main question of this thread. It wasn't about do i have the ability to file on my own. It wasn't about is $250 too much. The question was simply do taxes "LOOK" better when signed and filed by a CPA? Many of your comments and posts were helpful, and I do appreciate your time in responding. FTF65, however, was the only user that actually answered the question. Does anyone else have an opinion in this regard? Biased or unbiased...doesn't matter. Just curious as to the overall opinion of the users. It does seem fair to think that the IRS would scrutinize the return of a small business less if they used a cpa, but perhaps i'm way off base on this. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 10 January 2007 |
| Look at the chart at the top of Discussion: How Many Audits Did You Have in 2006? and read some of the discussions. The low rate does suggest correlation with the signature on the return. | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| One reason they "look" better is that a paid preparer is also signing the return, stating that to the best of their knowledge and belief, the return is true, correct, and complete, based on all information of which preparer has any knowledge. That means that someone else, with tax knowledge, has already looked at it.....less chance of errors and ommissions. Also note that most of us take classes every year to keep up with current tax law changes. | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| Oh why oh why did I not become a lawyer, or a securities broker, or any other similar profession other than accountant. Everybody else gets paid for their professional knowledge, the poor tax accountant gets questioned on a $250 bill.
Free legal advice to anyone who want to finance my career change! | |
| January 10, 2007 | |
| I don't believe your return needs to be prepared by an actual CPA (remember, many CPAs hire temporary clerks to enter the data on the returns...), but I do believe that returns filed (especially those that are efiled) that were prepared with a computer by any tax preparer who has had several years of experience (who don't rely on temporary clerks to prepare the returns) would "look better" to the IRS. I believe that returns prepared using a pencil or pen and mailed in to the IRS (rather than being efiled) will not "look as good" to the IRS. But it all depends on whether or not you include all of your income on the return and whether or not you deduct expenses that are reasonable to the IRS.
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| 10 January 2007 | |
| The "look" is the same. The same tax return is used.
If you should do it or not depends on your acctg ability. If you get financial statements, you need a cpa. Do you know how to close the books at year end? Do you know aje? The acct may start with your t/b and g/l, but that may not be the end product. | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| I charge $225 to complete a 1040 and a schedule C if the client provides a trial balance or something close. State form included. I am not a CPA and the rate you are quoting seems very fair.
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| 10 January 2007 | |
| I sincerely doubt that prepared/not prepared by a CPA is one of the data entry fields at the IRS Service Center where the returns are filed. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 10 January 2007 |
| I think it plays a part when a return is spit out for review for potential audit, Dennis. | |
| January 10, 2007 | |
| I think the reputation of the tax preparer is important, too. Doesn't the IRS keep track of preparers who make a lot of mistakes or have had a lot of audits? | |
| 10 January 2007 | |
| Ahem, there are many tax professionals that are not CPA's that are VERY proficient at their job... Just make sure you find someone who will research the unknown before filing a faulty return. I find that my clients appreciate it when I tell them I do not know the answer and will have to research it. I have also refered potential clients to CPA's if their situation was too complex for me. | |
| January 10, 2007 | |
| I've never seen audit stats on paid preparer/self prepared, which might be interesting. If anything, the advantage of having a pro do a return is that it's more likely to be correct, which prevents it getting kicked out for stupid reasons. When things balance and are in the right spot, the return processes the way it's supposed to. Otherwise, bang, crash, bad things happen. But then, I've seen an awful lot of things that curl your hair that never drew attention at all. And I may have filed one or two like that, too, somewhere far back in my past... | |


