Discussion:Distributions to S-Corp shareholders
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| 18 March 2007 | |
| My tax preparation business is limited to individual tax prep and does not cross the Corp line, thus I'm looking for some S-Corp advise.
My husband and I are 10% shareholders in an S-Corp. The other couple are 90% shareholders. Over the last 5 years, the S-Corp has lost money the first 3 years and had a profit the last two years. For 2006, profits/K-1 amounts were $1500/13500 (10% to us, 90% to them). The original investment in the S-Corp was our money---$15,000. The 90% shareholders did not have an original investment. With the 2006 profits, we both have a basis in the S-Corp......ours being the larger basis. With the additional $13,500 being added to the other couples income, suddenly the S-Corp needs to start paying distributions. (Lesson learned not to mix friendship and business.....ever!!) Finally my question......... Does the distribution need to be based on the shareholder % or can it be based on each shareholders basis? I'd like to try to get some of my $15,000 back, but at 10%, it may take a long time if we need to stick to sharehold %. Thanks for your help. | |
TaxManager (talk|edits) said: | 18 March 2007 |
| In order to maintain S-Corp status the distributions need to be in accordance to the percentage owned. Thus if $1,000 is distributed $100 is to be distributed to you and $900 is to be distributed to the other shareholders.
As far as basis, the prior year losses would have reduced your basis. Are you sure that after all of the losses you still have basis? If the other shareholder's contributed nothing in prior years they have no basis and could not have been able to deduct the losses. They should have carryovers to offset the current year income. ~~Taxmanager | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 18 March 2007 |
| Unusual that a 90% owner of an S-corp did not put ANY money into it. After five years the corp has only now earned back the initial investment that you put in? Based on your post, I'm assuming that no one is taking a salary. Sounds like it's time to make some decisions regarding the future of this business. I'd suggest you speak with an accountant in your area. | |
| 18 March 2007 | |
| Thanks for the answers.
We do have a local CPA firm doing our return. Last year the company grossed about $160,000, with about $65,000 of that going to salary (one of the other 90% shareholders is the only employee). Other costs are product, office, etc. The salary cost also includes about $9,000 in health insurance that the company pays. The only start up costs were the $15,000. They had the "idea" and did not have a cent of cash. We have talked about marketing the company to sell, but the other owners are not in a hurry, as they are making a living off the company. We are basically frustrated silent partners. Is there any way we can get back part of our original investment via a distribution or something else? We told the other shareholders that we would like to be bought out, buy they have no money. JR----what type of red flags do you see? Thanks again. | |
| March 18, 2007 | |
| First off, you can't incorporate with you getting 10% of the stock and them 90% and you put all the money in. That's not a tax free incorporation, unless they had an existing biz with some goodwill or something to contribute that had 9x the value of your money. So taxable income should have been created for them on the inc. Then, as TM says, the prior losses reduce your basis invested in the business, and the 2 years' profits increase them. Your investment is no longer 15k. Who knows what theirs is given the structure of this. And yes, money distributed generally must be in proportion to stock ownership. There are some ways around it, by distributing the profits to notes payable to the shareholders first, which meets the technical requirements, and then you can pay the notes down however you want...I'm concerned about whether that firm really understands what it's doing, or maybe you just haven't been filled in on all the details. A meeting would be a good place to start in order to find out. | |
| 18 March 2007 | |
| "Filled in on all the details" would most likely be the case! We didn't even know about the last 2 raises he gave himself.
The prior year losses were not big.....so not much affect on the basis, but did consider that.
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| 18 March 2007 | |
| Did your contribution all go to cap stock? Did some of it go to shareholder loan? The 90% owes the s corp for the stock. They can't get the stock for free.
Other item, you said the s corp paid $9,000 for se health ins for the 90%. That has to get added to his W-2. It's not a deductible expense to the s corp. In otherwords box 1 of the W-2 s/b $74,000. Look at your past K-1s. It should indicate the amount of adjustment to your investment. The losses reduce it, the gain increases it. You can only take a distribution if ther is a credit balance in the AAA. Too many issues to deal with here. You need professional help. | |
| 18 March 2007 | |
| Thanks Blrg....
The W-2 was handled correctly. That is the other reason they are wanting some money to cover their bottom line. Not only do they have to add $9000 to their income for the insurance, they also need to add the $13,500 from the K-1s. Their W-2 was withheld bearly enough to cover just the W-2 wages without the insurance added. | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 18 March 2007 |
| Sounds like lots of issues here. You may want to contact an attorney after you have a long meeting with a CPA. If possible, wait until after tax season so the CPA has time to sort this mess out. | |


