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Pivarela (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2006
Hi - I would like clarification on the new definition of dependent. I have 9-year-old nephew. He lives in Florida and he is a student. I provided more than 50% of support for my nephew (mi sister live with my uncle and she is not required to file a tax return). I live in California and have never live with my nephew.

Can I claim my nephew as a dependent?

MArdelean (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2006
Does your sister happen to be on state assistance? If so, that would matter.

Pivarela (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2006
MArdelean

thank you for your reply

my sister is not on state assistance

MArdelean (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2006
Then according to the wording under a "Qualified Relative", it seems you would be able to claim him. Mike Ardelean

Lois (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2006
You stated that your nephew does not live with you or even in the same state. The rules for a Qualifitying Relative states that anyone who is a member of the taxpayer's household for the entire year. Since he does not live with you you can't take him as a dependent.

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

9 January 2006
Assuming that your uncle is the grandfather of the child, only your grandfather or sister may claim the child as a dependent.

This is due to the fact that you may not claim a dependency exemption for a qualifying relative if the relative is a qualiying child of another taxpayer. Since your uncle and sister live with the child all year long, the child is a qualifying child of his mother and grandfather.

MEJungman (talk|edits) said:

10 January 2006
Pivarela, to determine which of these conflicting statements is correct, you can look at IRS Publication 501 (at this link), which describes the rules for claiming a Qualifying Relative dependent.

In summary, those rules say that for a person to be your qualifying relative, you must provide more than half his total support for the year, and the person must:

  1. not be a qualifying child of another taxpayer,
  2. must either live with you or be your close relative (including a niece or nephew)
  3. must have a gross income of less than $3,200

From the info you provide, I can say your nephew meets two of the tests: 1) you provide more than half of his income, and 2) he is your nephew. Assuming that he has a gross income of less than $3,200, the only question is whether he is someone's "qualifying child".

For a taxpayer to claim a person as a qualifying child, the "child" must be:

  1. the taxpayer's son, daughter, stepchild, eligible foster child, brother, sister, half brother, half sister, stepbrother, stepsister; or the child, grandchild, great-grandchild, etc. of the taxpayer's son, daughter, stepchild, etc.,
  2. under 19 at the end of the tax year (or under 24 if a student)
  3. must have lived with the taxpayer for more than half the year, and
  4. the child must not have provided more than half of his or her own support for the year.

Also, the taxpayer trying to claim the child must not be someone else's dependent.

Looking at the info you provide, it would seem that your nephew is either your uncle or your sister's qualifying child. He's your sister's son and uncle's grandson, is under 19, and presumably lived with your sister and/or uncle for more than half the year. Your sister is probably your uncle's dependent, so your nephew is probably your uncle's qualifying child. If this is true, you cannot claim your nephew as a qualifying relative.

It's remotely possible that your nephew is not your uncle or your sister's qualifying child, if: your nephew lived with your uncle less than half the year, and your uncle was still able to claim your sister as a qualifying relative dependent.

PGattoCPA (talk|edits) said:

10 January 2006
I either missed something above or I missed something in geneology class.

Pivarela's SISTER's son is Pivarela's NEPHEW and Pivarela's FATHER's grandson. If Pivarela's uncle was the grandfather, then the child's mother would be Pivarela's first cousin and the child would be Pivarela's first cousin once removed.

MEJungman (talk|edits) said:

10 January 2006
Sorry, I didn't look too closely at the relationships. Pivarela's nephew is his uncle's niece's son (I'm not sure of the precise term for that). His uncle would still be able to claim the nephew as a qualifying child, because the nephew is the descendant of the uncle's sister or brother.

LangTuSJ (talk|edits) said:

13 March 2007
Hi,

Want to reopen this thread. I think my nephew is qualified as my dependent for all of the stated points except he is not living with me. 1) He's my niece 2) He's 7 years old 3) His mom is not on state's assistance and she's not claiming him. 4) I provided more than 1/2 of his support.

Can I claim him then? Do I need form 2120?

Thanks

Stanley

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

13 March 2007
You may not claim this child if he lives with his mother who is a taxpayer as defined in Sec. 7701 (someone who is subject to US tax laws). Therefore, if the child's mother is a nonresident alien with no US source income, she would not be subject to US tax laws and you may claim the child as a QR.

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