Discussion:Can I claim all deductions, while my partner files a 1040-EZ?
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| 16 February 2008 | |
| We have lived together for about 15 years, though we were never legally married. We bought a house in 1998, a car in 2002, we have a checking account (out of which all bills are paid), and we have a Money Market account. All of these interests are held in both of our names, as joint tenants. Every year, since 1998, when we purchased the house, I have filed a Federal 1040 (Single status) and itemized deductions, claiming 100% (mortgage, property tax, charitable, etc.), while filing a simple EZ (Single) for her, claiming the standard deduction. We each make around 30K a year, and this scenario seems to maximize our refunds. I've seen a lot of back-and-forth on this topic, but I'm just trying to cover my a**.
Again, I've done this since tax year 1998, so am I looking for trouble? Am I doing anything wrong? Any expert opinions would be welcome. | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| You can claim a dedcution for interest and taxes that you actually pay. If your significant other is paying some of those expenses, you are asking for trouble. | |
| February 17, 2008 | |
| Are you in a community property state? It sounds as if you have commingled all your funds and as you state you make similar amounts, it would be difficult to say YOU pay for just those items that are deductible. | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| In an audit here, IRS would just split deductions 50/50 until you met your burden of proof to the contrary. Got any documents which will do that? | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| Belle, good point. CP laws may apply to a significant other in some jurisdictions. | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| We both contribute about the same $$ each month to our joint account, and it's from those funds we pay all our bills. Savings, and Money Market just sit there, gaining interest/dividends (or not). So I guess it's true, that we'd each be paying half of everything.
As it is, and has been for the past 9+ years, our (my) itemized deductions are slightly less than our combined standards. Taking all of the deductions myself, and claiming standard for my partner, gives us a total of about 1.5x our combined standards. We're not in a CP state, so I think what I'm hearing is that it'd be better (IRS-compliance-wise) for us to split all deductions 50/50, in which case we'd do better if we were to each take our standard. Would there be any red flags raised over the fact that I itemized every year, from 98 through 2006, and now for 2007, I'd be going standard? Thanks again. | |
TaxNovice 1 (talk|edits) said: | 17 February 2008 |
| California does not recongize common-law marriages, so the Community Property status do not apply. You may want to check with your state regarding Common-Law marriages, both parties may argue that they each contributed to the household and therefore are entitled to 50% of mortgage interest, property taxes, charitable, etc. Good luck. | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| "Would there be any red flags raised over the fact that I itemized every year, from 98 through 2006, and now for 2007, I'd be going standard?"
No, IRS does not select returns for examination by making such a comparison. However, if your prior year returns claimed unallowable itemized, you should amend open years (2005-06). | |
| February 17, 2008 | |
| TaxNovice 1 - I think the point of the original question is they don't WANT to share/split the deductions. He wants to take 100%, she files an EZ. | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| Yes, Belle. That is the question exactly, and I'm still trying to get a straight answer--tough, I know, when it comes to such a complex system:
Can I claim 100% of all deductions (mortgage interest, taxes, charitable) on 1040 Schedule A, while filing a 1040-EZ for my partner, with whom I share a Joint Tenant interest in all accounts and debts? We'd rather not split anything. After we get this settled, I'll need to ask about Ordinary Dividends. I bet you can't wait. | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| DannyRO - read Riley above. If you paid it you can take it. Since you only paid half, you can only legally take half. If next year you want to pay it all and have her pay for other expenses then you would get a different answer. But you have been doing it wrong in the past. And no we can wait. | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| Given Riley's rule (didn't know they named a rule after you, did you Riley!), what if Danny pays all the mortgage and tax payments and his SO pays all the utils, groceries, clothing, etc? Seems like that's really no different, but technically, he paid the interest and taxes. | |
| 17 February 2008 | |
| Thank you, EZTAX. And, please, pardon my impatience. I'm just a private citizen, trying to get things right. I'll just go with standard deductions this year, for each of us, or jointly.
Thanks again, to all of you. | |
| 18 February 2008 | |
| Danny, you can't file a joint return unless you are married under the laws of your state, or are registered domestic partners in California.
The simple solution to your problem is to get married. Won't help for 2007, but it will fix it for 2008. | |
Rgtaxservice (talk|edits) said: | 18 February 2008 |
| Getting married isn't a solution...it's a compromise :) | |
| 18 February 2008 | |
| Well, it's a solution to the tax problem. Not necessarily a solution to anything else! <G> | |
| 18 February 2008 | |
| Okay, so every time there's a reply, I get to thinking differently on the whole thing. Now I'm leaning towards Wwtaxes' take, which would suggest that maybe the way I've been filing since 99 is legit. As far as who actually pays what, I'm in charge of the bills, so the vast majority of the checks drawn on our joint account, especially those for the Mortgage and other deductible expenses, have been written and signed by me.
At any rate, the decision to do it this way was based more on wanting to avoid the pain-in-the-a** of splitting everything. The fact that it nets us a larger combined refund is an unintended bonus, and one I'd hate to give up. More thoughts? | |
| 18 February 2008 | |
| If paid from a joint account, under an audit the IRS will probably take use a ration of your income vs your combined incomes to allocate the deductions. I think you misinterpreted WW's advice. He (or she) is talking about how to resolve this in the future. | |
| 18 February 2008 | |
| The issue isn't who signs the checks, but where the money came from, in determining who paid for it. Also, you should know that I am comparatively a rookie at this, so take my input accordingly. But I have always gone by who pays. The issue I have here is that I don't see a difference in combining funds and paying all expenses, and not combining funds and each paying some (assuming somewhat equality of contributions and expenses). I have a hard time determining what 'you' paid for out of a joint account. If you had separate accounts and you paid all the mortgage interest and property taxes, I don't know of any issue with taking the deductions, so assuming you have contributed enough to the joint account to cover these expenses, I wonder if it's really any different. Of course, the IRS may see it a different way. | |
| 18 February 2008 | |
| Thanks, Ww. I think you've hit on something here. My entire paycheck goes into the joint checking account, and that is more than enough to cover all of the deductible expenses I have claimed in the past, and intend to claim again this year. My SO contributes only a portion of her pay into that account, which covers utilities, groceries, clothing, entertainment, etc. The rest of her pay goes into savings/money market, and is not often tapped for recurring expenses.
Though I don't know what kind of documentation I'd need were the wolves to come scratching at my door, I am comfortable with taking 100% deductions on my own return. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Thanks, again. | |
Artlander@aol.com (talk|edits) said: | 5 May 2008 |
| Taxpayer entitled to proportionate deduction unless other tenant is not able to contribute, in which case Taxpayer entitled to deduct what he paid.
Does holding the property as tenant with right of survivorship change the general rule?
Does holding the property as husband and wife change the general rule?
In Ewell v. Commissioner T.C. Memo 1996-253, the Court addressed a husband and wife. The Court states the property is held jointly and that the petitioner and former spouse were jointly liable for the mortgages and property tax. The husband paid more than his proportionate share. The IRS took the position that the husband could only deduct his proportionate share. Respondent contends that petitioner may not deduct his payments of his former spouse’s share of mortgage interest and property taxes because he has a right to be reimbursed by her. Respondent contends that Levy v. Commissioner, 2121 F. 2nd 552, 554 (5th Cir. 1954, affg a Memorandum Opinion of this Court dated March 9, 1953; Estate of Boyd v. Commissioner, 28 T.C. 564, 566-657 (1957); and Conte v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo 1981-571, affd 722 F. 2nd 727 (2d Cir 1983), supporting this contention. We disagree. The Court in the Ewell does not agree and distinguished the present case on the facts. 1. These earlier cases only ruled on repairs, maintenance, and capital improvements and not on expenses where the co-tenants were jointly and severally liable. The Court mentions that in contrast to the case before it, the IRS in Conte the had concede that the taxpayer could deduct real estate taxes and mortgage interest to the extent he paid them because he was jointly and severally liable for those deductions. So, the Court in Ewell could have ruled here that simply because the Taxpayer was jointly and severally liable, that the Taxpayer was entitled to deduct what the Taxpayer paid. But it did not. Instead, the Court goes on to say that the earlier cases did not address where the other party was able to contribute or reimburse the Taxpayer for their share. And the Court rules that Petitioner could lose the properties if the mortgage interest and property taxes were not paid. So instead of simply ruling that Husband could deduct the payments because he was jointly and severally liable, the Court felt compelled to make a further and went on to rule that he could deduct it because it was ‘highly unlikely’ he could collect from his wife (she was in bankruptcy). This is the general rule. There is a Rev. Ruling, 71-268, regarding property held as tenancy by the entirety that says, “since H and W are liable jointly and severally for payment of interest on the indebtedness on the property they hold as tenants by the entirety, the amount of interest actually paid by W during 1969 is deductible on her separate return. So, the Rev. Ruling actually supports the Taxpayer deducting the payment regardless of whether the co-tenant can reimburse the Taxpayer. The Court in the Ewell case did not cite this Rev Ruling. Rev. Ruling 71-268 is cited by the Court in Blackburn v. Commissioner TC Memo 1979-266 for the proposition that if a husband and wife are jointly and severally liable, then whoever pays the interest and taxes is entitled to the deduction. So there is a line that supports whoever pays the expense is entitled to the deduction regardless of the issue of inability to pay of the other cotenant. But look at the dates on the cases. From a common sense point of view two people who are living in a house could both contribute equally, but by allowing the one tenant to pay the deductible interest and taxes allow for a shifting of the deduction to the person in the highest tax bracket. The next year they could alternate. With a partnership could I shift the deductions like this? Assume both partners are liable for the mortgage interest. Partner A pays 10,000 for deductible mortgage interest paid with his funds, while Partner B pays for an asset that cannot depreciated or amortized out of his own personal separate funds. Will the IRS allow a special allocation in this case? Could A * B change place the next year? | |


