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IheartTaxes (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
Right now I am trying to decide whether I should get my EA or my CPA? What do you guys think? Do you think either one is harder to get?

SunGod (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Discussion:EA_vs._CPA_exam

TheTinCook (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
It takes a long time to get a CPA. What with getting the degree, the massive reviews needed for the exam, and the audit hours.

You can get an EA in less then 5 months (one month for review and test taking and 120 days for the IRS background check).

Why not get the EA first? You'd only be out ~$325 if you don't buy any review stuff and pass it all in one go. Plus you'd have a big leg up for the Regulation portion of the CPA exam.

Ekcpa (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
tincook's plan is good.

also audit hours are only needed in some states. Other states say that experience has to be intensive and diverse.

GrizzlyCPA (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
Getting your CPA is well worth it. When people think of tax & accounting professional do they think EA or CPA? The EA is for those not truly dedicated to taxes & accounting.

Ekcpa (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
I remember an article that said something like a very high percentage of people think it is important to go to a cpa for taxes.

PhoenixTax (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
It really depends on what your career goals and aspirations are. I'm a candidate for the California CPA, and i considered going for my EA -- more for the tax education you get from EA study than anything else. You will find many CPAs who don't know squat about taxes a day after obtaining their CPA license. I'd challenge you to find the same for an EA. If you <3 taxes as your handle suggests, you should seriously consider TinCook's advice.

Taxstudent (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
If you have a choice, do both. The EA is a good certificate to have while you're getting the experience, finishing courses, and taking the CPA exam. It also allows you much more freedom to do taxes across state lines without worrying about mobility issues once you do have your CPA license. The CPA license has much better name recognition and is much more credible in many areas. But if you become an EA while you're still working on your CPA experience, you can (maybe) gain valuable experience in IRS exams or collections. Not by yourself of course, but you won't have to sit in a corner and only assist in the information exchange.

Lizzit (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
Pick what you want by what you want to do.

GrizzlyCPA is not correct - most EAs are very dedicated to tax. An EA does only tax and nothing else. A CPA is licensed to perform audits as well as tax work. Audit work is more lucrative than tax work. Corporate tax is more lucrative than individual client tax. And tax law (requiring a JD) is most lucrative tax profession of all.

Many CPAs who've been practicing for a long time on non-tax related accounting can barely figure out today's 1040. On the other hand, most EAs haven't a clue how to create a balance sheet from a trial balance. Your future employer knows this, so think carefully before choosing one over the other.

If you want the option to do whatever you wish, a CPA is the best license. Many people are suggesting you get both; but an EA license is redundant if you have a CPA license. Anything an EA can do, a CPA can do. So if you want the CPA license, only get the EA first if you need a quick route to a bigger salary whilst you're studying for the CPA exams.

Once you've been in practice a while, you can opt to specialize further. Specialization is where the money is.

Lizzit (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
Oh, and I studied just two weeks for my EA license and passed, but I'd been doing taxes for five years when I took the exam. Most people study for three months.

Almanacers: Has anybody studied for a shorter time period and still passed the exam?

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
I hate to say this but I did not study; the first time I passed, my employer more or less signed me up and sent me. I think they gave me a copy of a prior year which I looked at....this was 1983-84. The second time I sat ten years later, I was running my own business and had little time to look at anything. I think anyone who does many varied returns would have a good chance of passing with little study: on this board, I can think of DZ, Kevin, Kathyt, TAO and Tin Cook, judging mostly by the number of returns done on that audit survey, and with TC, his love of reading statutes. I am sure I have missed others who did not participate [Dennis?]

Prior to sitting each time, I was the person responsible for filing our CCH/RIA updates and bulletins for a full service. I would read what I found interesting.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

January 30, 2008
Get some experience and understanding. The letters don't mean crap. You'll know what I mean if you stay here long enough to read the posts from letter carriers. The letters do assure you, tho', that you've got some fundamental understanding of things. But when I passed the accounting parts of one of the letter exams, guess what? I knew nothing about tax. Nothing. Now take a wild shot in the dark at what most of my professional life revolves around....the 10 years of field experience with various accountants and innumerable small businesses was worth more than I could pay.

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
EA is good in all 50 states, where a CPA license has to be transferred between states, so usually the requirements for sitting for the exam and experience have to be the same or greater if you are looking to transfer your license.

SunGod (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
I studied for three weeks for my CPA exams, and passed them in the first attempt.

Ekcpa (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
SunGod,

That's great. But certainly not typical. Remember CPA 1/4 pass. Your score is not respective of the questions you got right only the percentile that you were in. So keep that in mind.

Ekcpa (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
sorry, don't think it is percentile but rather curved grade.

Www.cpa1.biz (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
Sun,

If you studied for 3 weeks and passed the CPA, you need to be somewhere more lucrative like on a Jeopardy game or playing against those 5th grade kids.

94nole (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
EA or CPA???

It really depends on what you want to do in your accounting career. If you want to end up in a corporate acccounting department as a controller or CFO, CPA is definitely the way to go.

If you want to be a tax professional it really doesn't matter. Heck, look at some of the folks here, EA's that are awesome and have far more tax expertise than do I. Am I have the CPA credential on my wall.

Some of the best accountants I've met are people with accounting degrees, tons of experience and brilliant minds. However, without the credential, they'll not get access to a fraction of the opportunities and will top out salary-wise rather early unless they operate their own businesses. Their key to success is to grow up inside of a company and work their way to the C suite. That can still happen today.

I spent a good while working for Robert Half needing a break from accounting and met some great people that I couldn't get placed because of their lack of credentials. It is a common perception in the minds of the employers.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
94, perception, or misperception? How could we educate people to the fact that the title is an indication ONLY and should not be a deciding factor?

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

January 30, 2008
Pretty tough to do when dues to orgs are used to 'un'educate that public to use their particular brand of letters.

94nole (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
In my opinion, certainly a misperception. Again, I hold this board out as a great example of that as well as those dozens of people I personally interviewed over a period of almost a year.

GENERALLY speaking, I don't think the EA credential will ever rise to the level of trust and respect by the general public given that of a CPA. As JR said, it's about education.

If states would regulate (one of the few areas I wouldn't mind gov't regulation) the tax profession, you'd see an increased respect level for EAs. No disrespect towards non-credentialed folks here, but the barriers to entry into the tax business is no more than a PC with tax software and Pub 17.

I could open an office and sit teenagers at desks and file W-2 and 1099 returns all day long.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

January 30, 2008
You mean some of these folks use Pub 17??? Please. Some aren't even using the software it seems!

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
States are the wrong place to regulate the tax profession since the EA standard is handed down from IRS, as are the tax laws that govern the 1040 and most state income tax returns. In addition, a state with no reason to regulate state filings because it has no income tax would not exactly be the place to begin.

Then again, maybe you have something; if I were required to be licensed by Pennsylvania in order to file a PA-40, it would be hard for me to set up a seasonal store front if I could not file your state return.

But Nole hits it on the head in another way. A PC, a copy of Turbo Tax, with its instructions and links to government instructions, and who needs Pub 17. We must see five questions a year here from "I have a client who" and it turns out they are running Turbo Tax.

Gosix (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
<<<Pretty tough to do when dues to orgs are used to 'un'educate that public to use their particular brand of letters. >>>

Amen

Gosix (talk|edits) said:

30 January 2008
How about some education about the CPA's farming out their highly billed work to the part time seasonal staff accountant, the 2nd year intern, and the associate degreed bookkeeper.

Mscash (talk|edits) said:

31 January 2008
There is about one EA for every 10 CPAs and we EAs are trying to get better public recognition of the fact we exist. OK, Enough whining.

Since getting an EA will not take the time neccessary to get a CPA, why not go for the EA so you have that professional designation behind you name while you get the experience neccessary to be a CPA. There are a few people that advertise themselves as both but I don't see the point of it myself.

Mike315 (talk|edits) said:

31 January 2008
While an EA is specifically tested in taxation, a CPA license would give you many more options in your career. Generally, most CPAs can do what EA's do, but EA's can't do everthing CPAs do. yes, many CPAs come from an audit background, and would not be tax experts that I agree on. In general, in my experience, EA's are pretty good with 104O, but are not good with business returns.

Lacerulean (talk|edits) said:

4 July 2008
I totally agree with Lizzit's comment. My interest has changed from Audit work to Tax work and now I have passed all the EA exams. To be honest, I really am not interested in Month-end close or how to produce a financial statement. I want to have my practice oversea one day for Expatriate Americans. 94Nole has a right attitude, it depends on what you want to take your career path. If I were having a CPA, well, I would need to sit down and take exams again (for oversea - they don't recognize it). Having an EA is much better position for me. Mike315, I think it depends on what area EA is specialized in. You can't always say that they are good with 1040 but not good with business returns.

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