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Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
I have a client (a doctor physiatrist) that went through an audit of his personal return, and his two companies (c professional corp with fiscal period, and s service corp that belongs to his wife).

He wanted me to help him with an audit, even though I told him that he needs a CPA for this matter. However he insisted me to take care of it. Now he is asking me to find CPA for him, who would negotiate with IRS the bill. He is probably would be billed in the amount of $120K for 2004, 2005, and 2006. The reason: very aggressive deductions, and no backups. Does anybody here want to take this challenge? Oh, he is in Bergen county NJ

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
Does he have the assets to pay it? Just what kind of 'negotiation' does he think he can do?

Michaelstar (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
You just need someone who deals with the IRS on these types of issues as a matter of course whether it be a CPA, EA or Tax attorney. I suggest you contact Steve at this link and ask him if he is interested in taking this on. He knows his business. He has a 1-800# on his web site.

http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/User:Skasselea

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
Joanmcq,

Yes, he has money. His yearly Net was $700K+, he trade on stock market, losing tons of money, and doesn't quit. I guess if he has money to lose, he has money to pay to CPA-attorney. He thinks he can do it because I told him that he might try. This is just the way I talk. I never insist on my opinion, and always keep the door open for a client. I hate when they say: you told me, and I follow your advice, so now it's your fault. If you help him to reduce the bill, I‘ll win, because I recommended him a good CPA. If you won’t help him to reduce the bill, I win too, because, if a CPA attorney is not capable of doing this, it means that I’m not a bad accountant after all. :)

thanks Michaelstar, I'll ask.

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
I meant 'does he have the money to pay the tax'. If he has a $700K yearly income, he has assets to pay the back taxes. Why would the IRS take less?

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
Yes, he has money to pay the tax.

I don’t know why. As I said, I don’t know about the process after an audit. I know that if I go to court when I have a traffic violation ticket they first negotiate with me, and offer a better deal. So I thought that maybe it works kind of the same way here. Instead of spending money on court IRS just negotiate with him smaller amount. But maybe it's just silly of me to think this way.

When I worked with an auditor, I already negotiated with him a lot of things… to my surprise. I’m just thinking that professional might do the better job than I did.

Pegoo (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
The IRS is not going to reduce the bill. I can tell you that. He has the ability to pay what he owes.

Uncle Sam (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
While I'm not a "Rep" type, I do know of an EA in the Lower Hudson Valley (NY) who ONLY does rep work in settling with IRS on collection type issues. Bergen Co, NJ is still a reasonable distance for him.

If you're still interested reply back here.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
700K! Good Lord, is he bilking Medicaid too? He may need a lawyer, and have the lawyer hire CPA. The lawyer will handle the audit, and the CPA will prepare the materials for audit. E. Martin Davidoff, CPA, Esq. is a lawyer somewhere in NJ I think, he does nothing but representation, and writes for NPA magazine. Call NJ Bar Association for his number. Davidoff is in Dayton, N.J.

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
Uncle Sam, yes I'm interested.

No, as a matter of fact, he is not getting any 1099 from medicaid.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

19 February 2008
Sounds like he may have a gambling addiction if he likes to play the market like that. He love to gamble. I never have helped a psychiatrist or psychologist yet that hadn't flown out of the cuckoo's nest long before I was called in. The only way to get him to stop will be self-administered eletro-shock. Tear the cord out of the back of a lamp, separate the two wires to about a foot down the cord, touch one to each ear, and plug the cord in. Start at about 15 seconds, and work up to 2 minutes, he's a doctor, and he should know this. Don't try this at home.

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
As a matter of fact his name is in the list of 100 top psychiatrists of the US. And from my experience with him… he has no idea what he is doing and why. But I’m not in the list of 100 top accountants of the US. So he probably knows better.

Anyway… would anybody want to take this challenge, he is still waiting for my referral.

Irsfixer (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
How far along is this audit? Are there any issues to argue about?

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
You are telling us that the man has the money to pay, and that you are satisfied that the audit results were correct, so this now devolves to a question of abatement of penalties. If there is little to hang a hat on such as alcoholism, substance abuse or gambling, where sometimes it is cheaper to involve AA or Gamblers Anonymous, the expert you want will have little to work with. As you noted, he was too aggressive, playing the audit lottery and now he is losing.

Compromises on the tax are based either on inability to pay or doubt as to the liability, and I see none of that here. However, from reading Mr. Davidoff's columns in the NSA magazine, your client, like some of his patients, might at least seek a second opinion from him.

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
The audit is done. But the client wants to go to court, and is asking for cpa/attorney.

When I’m talking about aggressive deduction, I mean that he paid from his c-schedule to c-corp all 1099-misc ($160K). And then he deducted the entire amount from c-corp. Does he have all backups? No, he doesn’t. But he can’t understand it. He pays himself rent from C-corp, and think that it’s deductible. When I add rent to his personal return, he doesn’t understand: I pay mortgage, utility!… , when I reduce mortgage, he doesn’t understand it ether… Don’t ask me questions. It’s not my decision. Auditor allowed to pay from sch. c only $50K, taking into consideration state average income for this kind of business. . And the client is trying to argue it. Hey, he wants to spend more money for court. Come on! Give him a chance to do that.

Mscash (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
I'm an another EA who specializes in dealing with the IRS on these types of collection issues and based on your narrative, I doubt he can be helped much because he has resources which can be tapped to pay the bill in full. I would be happy to take his money but expect that some kind of delay in payment is about the most I could acomplish.

Irsfixer (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
Has it gone thru Appeals yet or is he wanting to skip that step?

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
No, he is not. He even did not receive the bill yet.

I had the last meeting with an auditor a couple of weeks ago, and he said that it was the last one, and that he is closing the case. With my estimate, my client would have to pay about $120K.

And I don't know whether he wants it or not. I think you can ask him if you want this case.

Mscash, I sent you an email, on your email address, that is posted at your profile. Can you reply on it, please.

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
Я НЕ советую. Но могу поделиться тем что делаю я со своим 401К.

Мне предложили порядка 15 резличных obtions (видимо так же как и большенству из нас). Я разделила 100% на 15 И делаю инвестирование пропорционально в каждую из них. Почему? Потому что если вы внимательно посмотрите на performance всех этох mutual фондов, И бондов, то вы нигде не увидите стабильности. Кто-то из них вдруг выскочит наверх, а на следующий год окажется в самом низу. Но в общем маркет всегда идёт в верх. И если не горит снимать деньги, то их можно пропорционал'но разбросать, И таком образом вместе с маркетом постепенно идти вверх.

Irsfixer (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
Well, it sounds like he wants a second opinion. If the second opinion is the same as yours, then all another rep. will be doing is fighting a delaying action. I mean you can probably delay assessment for over a year and then collection for many months. Not sure that is what he is looking for. Let's say you could even save 20% of the tax by going thru Tax Court, the cost of the CPA fees, attorney fees and interest could equal or exceed that. Are there any issues that could be legitimately argued?

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
I'm sorry, please disregard my previous message, I accidentally posted into wrong chartroom.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
HEHE Louise...I actually could read some of it....3 years of Russian in high school...learned a new alphabet, so now my handwriting is similar to Russian handwriting and people ask me "what did you just write"???

Don't have a Russian keyboard so I can't respond, but I can almost read it...hehehehe

Newtaxguy (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
Sandy, if you want to type Cyrllic characters go to www.translit.ru. Just type into that page, then copy and paste. Anybody can do it.

вива Путин!

The New Tax Guy

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
Cool :) Thank you New!!

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2008
Kooda? Rooski/Americanski? Nyet...hehehe

Dsglouise (talk|edits) said:

21 February 2008
Sandy, so now you can give me your opinion about my opinion, that I accidentally poster in Russian, regarding investments.(Or you need help from me… ) Do you think my strategy is good enough? Sorry… it’s off topic. :)))

Irsfixer (talk|edits) said:

21 February 2008
Well, I thought it was a serious question.

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