Discussion:CA Joint Tenancy and Step up basis

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PostingFromWork (talk|edits) said:

29 January 2008
The facts:

Client's sister bought a share of a co-op for $72,000 with her own funds and added my client as a joint tenent.

In 2004 sister died. Estimated value at DOD was $371,000

In 2007 client sold the coop for $272,564 net of commissions and selling expenses.


My question revolves around how CA joint tenancy works. I know that joint tenents in CA automatically have right of survivorship, but when the j/t is created do the tenents automatically, by law, have a 50/50 split of the income and/or property interest?

If that is the case the client's basis on the date of sale would be:

$36,000 + $185,500 = 221,500


Or would the client recieve the full step up to $371,000?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 January 2008
since deceased provided all of the consideration, it would receive 100% step up (non-spousal JT). Note that it would be more complicated if one person provided the down payment and the other made monthly mortgage payments.

PostingFromWork (talk|edits) said:

29 January 2008
Ahh, okay.

CA Civil Code ยง683(a) confused me when it stated " A joint interest is one owned by two or more persons in equal shares...."

If the other person paid the mortgage payments then the principle payments would be added to their basis, and then the step-up would be allocated pro rata based on their respective basis'?

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

29 January 2008
kind of, except it is really 'contribution to the consideration' rather than basis.

If one person provided 2/3 and the other only 1/3, then the decedent's portion would get stepped up based on the relative % of contribution

PostingFromWork (talk|edits) said:

29 January 2008
I gotcha. Thanks kevin

PostingFromWork (talk|edits) said:

5 February 2008
Got a call today from the client. She had called the IRS to ask them, and they said she only gets the half step up.

I'm a little torqued now. Not only has my client's confidence been eroded, but either the IRS is giving bad advice, or I am giving bad advice.

I'm pretty sure that Kev and I are in the right. We even match with the example given in Pub 551. So I gave the client the cite from Pub 551, advised her to request written advice from the IRS next time, and I would take a look through the Tax Court cases.

Mike315 (talk|edits) said:

6 February 2008
I am in agreement with Kevin. The amount included in the deceased owner's estate, and the amount of the step up would be based on the amount contributed by the deceased owner. The IRS sounds wrong,not 50/50, and not the first time I have heard of someone calling the IRS and getting the wrong info about the tax code.

CATAXES (talk|edits) said:

6 February 2008
When client added sister as Joint Tenant isn't this a gift? At that point both owners have $36K basis. At death of one owner (a non spouse) step up in basis for that owner's share only.

Taxtips (talk|edits) said:

6 February 2008
CATAXES, yes it is a gift, for which a 709 is required. However, under the consideration furnished test, 100% of the property would be included in the gross estate, thereby qualifying for the step-up on both halves. However, when preparing the 706, the gift is backed out of the taxable gift calculation on Sch. TG.

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