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Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
Wow, first client and already you are UNhappy Tax. lol. Do what I do, keep a roll of duct tape on the corner of the desk. ROFLMAO.

It only gets better folks.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
I have a door mat that says "dogs are welcome, childern must be on a leash" Of course, I have it at HOME not at the office (call me chicken). I did put into my client letter that went out with organizers the following: Due to the samll confines of the office, pleaase obtain child care for the kids during your tax appointment. I'll let you know if it makes a difference - but I think it's likely too polite to pierce the thick hides of the majority of these folks.

My suggestion is to tack on the brat surcharge to the bill AND word it just that way - perhaps highlight it too? End result is probably that at least those clients will go somewhere else next year with the snotty nosed brats?

Ksnoopytax (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
As a parent of a newborn and my wife and I both working full time, I know sometimes you just don't have a choice but to bring your child to some places that aren't ideal for children such as your office. Hopefully, the mother appreciated your patience and will not think once about complaining about the additional fee you charged her on your bill.

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
I have a file box full of toys. The kind McDonalds gives away works great. Plenty of stuffed animals. There must be over 20 years worth of spit, drool and germs on them from all the sucking. Kids love them and are usually quite. For the older ones (over 12), I give them a piece a paper and tell them to draw a picture of the world adding every animal they know of. I give them a nice selection of colored felt markers. I just love it when the babies must be breast fed just about the time I explain why they got hit with AMT!

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
Fsteincpa is on to something. Maybe you should change your name to Unhappy Tax.

I love kids and have no problem with parents who bring them. My reaction is always the same: I have no idea what their situation is and maybe they couldn't arrange babysitting or their spouse had to work, whatever. Heck, I've had kids run through my house (I work from home). I just laugh it off because I look at life this way: I have other things to worry about.

You can put the surcharge on like you did and forget it or you can tell the client they annoy you to the point where they don't return or you can suck it up. Personally, I suck it up and try to have a little fun with the baby. Life is too darn short to worry about these matters. But that's just my humble opinion.

Putting my soap box away,

Tom

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
DZCPA,

I forgot to mention that I have something similar around my office as I have a six year old.

Tom

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
"That's one way to prove your dependents" is always a good line.

San Diego (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
I have an ant farm. It amazes the adults more than the kids though...

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
I totally agree with TAO. Life's too short, especially to be annoyed at children. Enjoy them and remember, they will be the ones taking care of you while you are sitting in that nursing home.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
My issue isn't with kids, babies in general. It IS with the ones that are ignored as they tear thru the office unsupervised, that are allowed to take over the interview, that scream and whine that they don't LIKE the color of the crayons or paper provided. In short, the brats. 'Course, the real issue is the parents who have allowed these children to become this way....not really the fault of the kid who hasn't been taught how to behave.

Sandysea (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
So sad that we have problem clients but here we are blaming the poor children who are "owned" by the clients. I love kids....maybe cause I have 8 of my own and there WAS a time that they had to go everywhere with me...did I piss people off? Maybe, but come on now...did the client pay you? Then be gracious; you don't want children bothering you in the office? Then make it clear at the outset....how was Mom to know that her kids were going to piss you off?

Sorry but that too is a soapbox for me

Happy tax? I think not in my humble opinion....

94nole (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
Okay, NO MORE KIDS!!!! Maybe you could build a pen at your door with a sign instructing parents to lock their kids in while they meet with Happy Tax God.

I agree with the others...get over it. You seem to have not grown out of your 'brat'ness.

Don't mean to get personal with an attack...but you started it. Maybe you were never a kid?

Kathyt (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
We keep a small box of toys in the office, each of us on staff just brings our kid's old toys up here when our kids out grow them. It works out great for us, never had a problem. That wouldn't work for babies but I've never had a problem with babies before. When I bought this practice the majority of the clients were older people, kids all grown. That was fine except they starting dying off, I now have a much younger client base and I think being kid-friendly helped with that. Some people are SO releived when they see the toys, not everyone can just get a babysitter.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
You have to take a stoic attitude toward these things: value every client. If you need an incentive, I just got back from Sam's Club and I could hardly get past the front of the store what with dodging DIY tax software. Piled up to the sky: Tax Cut, Turbo-competitor... Uh... I found myself spending less than I normally would out of spite.

I get home, and who greets me but that smarmy Robert Shapiro, Atty. on TV selling legal documents, incorporations and the like. Swell. I knew I should have gone to medical school.

Kathyt (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
One more thing, the only clients I get in January are the people who are really scraping by pay check to pay check and they all get refunds and really need the refund. Lots of single parents who are broke, can't afford a babysitter. The bigger returns don't come until later but this month especially (for me) it's the poorest of the clients. Also, as a parent, I can say it's akward for the parent when this happens with an infant. You can't put the baby in time out until he behaves, it's not the child's fault or the parents when the baby is an infant. When my daughter was born my husband was working in another state, and I didn't have any family who lived in this state, and my friends all worked; it would have been difficult for me at that time to get a babysitter for something like this as I didn't know any babysitters and you can't just sign your kid up for day care for one hour. Try to see it from your client's side.

RayR (talk|edits) said:

4 January 2008
I'm with taocpa

HAPPY TAX (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
Upon further reflection, I have decided to remove my original post. I now believe that when I wrote those comments I had been provoked into a state of temporary insanity. Now that I am no longer psycho, I realize just how precious every child must be, for all of you, especially the parents, have told me so. And I see that it is patently unfair to paint every child with the bratbrush based only on the 700 or 800 isolated examples who will parade through my office in the next 100 days. I was a fool to believe that I was the victim. I now see that the mother was the victim because I charged her for the extra 25 minutes I had to spend trying to ask her questions and finalize her return over the screams of her innocent child's temper tantrum. And I realize that the biggest victim of all was the little child whose only sin was that it awoke in my office and found no toys to play with.

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
I gather you are being sarcastic. If that is the case, I have zero sympathy for you. None. Nada. Zilch.

I realize this screaming child bothered you and you came here looking for sympathy and got literally none. Well that's just too bad. And you charged your client extra which is your right and you will sleep well tonight taking that mother's money that maybe she could have used towards a baby sitter for an hour, but because you charged her extra, she may not have had the luxury.

That child is innocent, Happy Tax. Face it. They don't know any better, but you do. Grow up.

Tom

HAPPY TAX (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
Ouch

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
That extra money charged took food out of that babies mouth...blah blah blah. How about if he talk about clients who bring their smelly/flea invested dogs into the office. Or maybe, the clients that are sick with the flu blowing germs on the W-2 forms. April 15th is coming soon!

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

January 5, 2008
As a mother who has taken her children to many different places (and openly breastfed in many of them, DZ), I can certainly understand why clients do it. I think the toy box and drawing kits go a long way . . . not only to keep the children busy, but to show the parents that you have taken an extra step in servicing their needs.

As far as the extra fee, I don't see a problem with it (because it does take more time), but why hide it?

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
Well, I'm sorry, but that's the truth. Unhappy Tax put the post up, expected sympathy, got little and his sarcastic, immature attitude in his last post reflects poorly on him. And yes, he did take food from the baby's mouth with his extra charge. It seems petty to me, but that is his right. It's not how I do business. I might be a little poorer as a result, but, that's just fine by me.

Tom

HAPPY TAX (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
Ouch again, Tao! Please, sir, may I have another?

Some of you people really need to lighten up. For Pete's sake, folks, my original post was a joke. Some of you saw that. With others, I somehow sense it struck a nerve.

Thank you, Natalie, for the suggestion about some toys. I'll try to find some Aqua Dots. (That's a joke too. I'm so bad.) Actually the tip about toys is a good one. I used to have an Etch-A-Sketch, but one of Tao's little innocents wrecked that one day. Besides, this one today didn't act like he needed a crayon. He needed an exorcist. (<---Another joke, Tao)

I didn't hide the "extra" charge or unhide it. You can't expect to take up 35 minutes of my time and pay for 10, especially for a reason over which I have absolutely no control. I expect to be paid for my time exactly the same way all of us, including my client, expects to be paid for it. Surely, someone sitting in a professional's office knows that the meter is running. If you want to sit in my office and waste time with cellphone calls or allowing a child to take control of the room, that's fine, but the meter ticks on.

I guess it's like complaining about smokers to smokers. Parents who think the rest of the world should willingly tolerate their children's misbehavior in every setting are like smokers who think everyone should tolerate their habit anywhere they want to smoke. They just don't get it.

For Pete's sake, folks, it was a joke! If you don't think it's funny, don't laugh. But don't get your panties in a wad. Now can we all please quick punching poor old Happy Tax and get back to important things like taxes and stuff like that? In the meantime, I'm going to work on my attitude so that one day, when they ask, "Who will think of the children?", I, like Tao, can say, "I will."

DZCPA (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
I have a few child care clients that would like weekly bookkeeping visits. Interested??

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
It's, "Thank you sir, may I have another," and if that's your idea of humor, please feel free to check out some jokes I have posted. They are truly funny. This, well the humor certainly was lost on me and I've been told I have a darn good sense of humor.

So do us a favor, next time, you wish to post something that you seem to think is humorous, by all means warn us.  :-)

Tom

HAPPY TAX (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
It's a deal. Truce?

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

January 5, 2008
I like happy endings!

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
Fair enough.

Tom

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
WARNING WILL ROBINSON DANGER DANGER

- post below may possibly offend - but is meant in jest



Natalie, you go and get mad at me a few weeks ago for making improper jokes about all those horrible lawyers and then you post that. How am I supposed to not say something. Especially when I truly do schedule massages on a bi-weekly basis during tax season to relieve the tension.

And yes, this is just a joke, no happy endings for me <soooooooo sooooo sorry, just couldn't resist.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
OK - I'm going to get this warm and fuzzy world cranked up again! There is a time and a place for children. When the parents bring toys and the children are well behaved, I don't have a problem. However there are always (unfortunately) a few exceptions that drive me NUTS!! A few years ago, I had a woman come in with a four year old named William. How do I know this child's name was William? Because she said his name over 100 times during our one hour appointment! As in: Stop that William, William don't do that, William don't touch that, William I'm going to spank you, William I'm going to tell your father, William I'm going to put you in time-out. William kept pushing the paper feed on a calculator on a spare desk until he had run through over 15 feet of paper. I asked the mother to make him stop. She continued with the "William don't do that" routine. Of course William didn't pay any attention to her. I got up and removed the calculator and put it high on a shelf so William couldn't reach it. He then proceeded to scream at the top of his lungs. Mom then promised to take him to McDonalds if he would stop screaming. We finally got the tax return done. The next year when she called to schedule an appointment, I told her it would have to be done while William was in school. Believe it or not, she agreed and is still a client. Fortunately, I've never seen William again!

Aunt Emmy (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
Aunt Emmy jest loves children. They taste like chicken.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
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Yummy!!

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
I am not going to play W.C. Fields here and beat up some kid. What bugs me more are people who come in sneezing and coughing. "I just want to get my taxes done, I don't give a damn about others should David get sick."

Then there are the men who wear a ton of cologne....ditto any woman wearing certain perfumes. I've learned to mouth breathe to survive these. In the good old days of non-PC office, where desks would have an ashtry, some would light up and forget the burning weed while they showed me papers. I had one remedy for those people:

"Oh, good, you smoke," I'd exult and pull out one of these dry Dutch cigars and light up.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

January 5, 2008
Fred, I actually didn't get the "joke" until after I had posted it.


BL, after about the first fifteen minutes, I would have just very nicely told the client that it appeared this was not a good time to prepare her return and suggested a follow up appointment without the child. It's obvious that woman is the kind that has a problem with disciplining her child. (See the discussion in general chat about the problem with society.)


D&T, I agree with you about the sick people and people who wear too much cologne/perfume. I hated it when I worked for employers who offered no sick leave, so people would come in sick just so they could be paid. And I really like the way you handled the smokers.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

January 5, 2008
Wait a minute Fred. I now see you were the second poster who is going to use duct tape on kids!! (Shhh, don't tell anyone, I actually laughed when I read that!)

Belle (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
Fsteincpa - you make me feel decadent as I get a weekly massage during tax season. Every Friday night, whether I need it or not. Helps me delineate the end of one week vs the start of another as they soooo blend together during tax season.

Bottom Line, I like the way you summuarized this thread; well behaved children are welcome in my office (or anywhere for that matter). Your "William" story is the perfect example "children gone wrong". I feel sad for them; they're probably going to have issues thru out life and I place the blame on the parents. But those same parents, just like the mother in your story, are obvlious.

D&T, I keep on my desk, very conspiciously placed, one of those huge containers of hand sanitation wipes. If a client or kidlet looks/sounds/talks about being sick - I pull one out! So far, no ones seems to have taken it personally. We all get so run down during tax season, and need to do what we can to stay healthly ( if not happy) so we can get all the returns done!

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

January 5, 2008
"Discussion:Source of the American PROBLEM" Yea, I did it!

Belle (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
Natalie, thanks for the cross-reference. A good discussion; if only there was a good solution to the pervasive problem. Guess good parents are hard to find.

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
I agree. This child (and his teachers) is (are) going to have problems all his life. He has older teenage sisters that are complete PITA's from what I hear.

My mother had the world's strongest index finger. Whenever I started acting up, she'd just put her hand on my shoulder in what appeared to be a loving touch. Actually she was pressing on that nerve that Spock from StarTrek hits. People always said what a well behaved child I was!

D&T - I like your idea of the sanitation wipes. I'm putting them on the shopping list!

Belle (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
BL - I buy mine(the wipes), in bulk, from Costco. They are a bit rough on the hands, but it's well worth it. I've made it thru the last two seasons without a cold (knock on wood).

Could you be more specific on the nerve spot - there are a few times I might resort to it!

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

5 January 2008
There's a spot where the neck and the shoulder meet. If you feel around, you'll find it. (A karate expert may know too.)

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