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Dacowles16 (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
I have a client who purchased an C coporation with investments in real estate via an asset sale wherby the single member LLC purchased all the assets of the sellers C corporation LLC. My question is will the NOL carryforward of the C Corporation purchased carryforward to the purchaser. The ownershjip of the C corporation was transferred for $1 and assumption of all liabilities.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

July 2, 2007
No, if I think I understand the question.

Dacowles16 (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
Thanks for getting back to me so soon - I will try to clarify.

My client has a single member LLC invested in real estate and in 2005 he told me he purchased several real estate properties (over 40) so I included them in his single member LLC. However, the accountant for the seller (sale of the LLC, which is a C Corporation) provided me this year with stub period financials for the first two months of 2005 (sale date of 3/1/05). The C Corporation LLC had NOL's of$24,401 at 12/31/04 and the losses for the two month period ended 3/1/05 were $62,932. One question I have is whether or not I complete a tax return for the purchased C Corporation for the entire year, even though my client purchased 3/1/05 (Not sure what the seller's accountant did with stub period as he has not returned my calls). More importantly since the agreement was for the sale of assets ("Purchaser shal purchase Member's sole interest in the Company for the sum of $1, plus the assumption of the liabilities of Company.") will the NOL's get carried forward to the new owner who files taxes for the C Corporation LLC purchased?

TonyM (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
("Purchaser shal purchase Member's sole interest in the Company for the sum of $1, plus the assumption of the liabilities of Company.")

This makes it sound for tax purposes like a stock sale. If this LLC is being taxed as a corporation the Member's interest would be their "stock" in the entity not the entities assets.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
Dave, you don't seem to be clear about what your client purchased. You state that the agreement was for the sale of assets, but your quotation from the agreement suggests he purchased the interest in a single-member LLC that had elected C corporation treatment. Since such an LLC is treated for tax purposes as if it was a C corporation, that would be the equivalent of buying the stock of a corporation. As I'm sure you know, you get different results depending on what you bought. If you bought the assets, your basis in them is what you paid for them, allocated among them in accordance with their relative fair market values, and the corporation recognizes gain on the sale of the assets. If the corporation distributes the proceeds to the stockholder in liquidation, the stockholder has gain as if he had sold the stock -- so, two levels of tax. If you bought the stock, absent an election under IRC Sec. 338 to treat the stock purchase as an asset purchase, the basis of the assets remains the same (not stepped up to FMV) and the seller (former owner) of the corporation recognizes gain on the sale of the stock.

It sounds as though your client wasn't all that clear about what he bought, which led to your confusion. He shouldn't have done this transaction without legal and accounting advice, but what's done is done. Why anybody would have elected C corp treatment for an LLC holding real estate is a total mystery, but the seller got out of it with a more or less whole skin (and may have pulled a fast one on your client) by selling the interest (one level of tax) rather than the assets (two levels). Now the problem is your client's. You're going to have to decide what to do with this silly C corp. If the client intends to hold the underlying property for long-term appreciation, it may be best to bite the bullet and elect to have it treated as a disregarded entity. That will be a taxable event (see Reg. Sec. 7701-3(g)(1)(iii)), and the C corp NOLs will be lost, but future appreciation in the value of the property will not be trapped in a C corp.

Assuming this entity didn't leave a consolidated return group, it wouldn't have a short period return for the pre-acquisition period. It must file a return for the calendar year ended 12/31/05, and as the owner at year end, your client is responsible for filing that return. You need those pre-acquisition numbers to file the 12/31/05 return for the corporation. You'll also need to amend your client's 2005 return to take the corporation's assets out of his SMLLC.

The NOLs come along with the corporation under IRC Sec. 381, but their utilization is limited by IRC Sec. 382 due to the change of ownership. (This is basic Sub C stuff.) The maximum NOL that can be deducted in any given year is calculated by multiplying the value of the corporation at the date of change of ownership (in this case, probably, what the client paid for it, which would be the amount of the liabilities plus $1 -- which suggests the corporation was upside down in the real properties, or at least had borrowed up to their FMV) by the long-term tax exempt rate. You can find the rules for calculating this in IRC Sec. 382 and the regulations thereunder.

Taxref (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
I can't tell if this is a stock sale or an asset sale; the descriptions used by the OP seem to switch back and forth.

If it was indeed a stock sale (ie: the client purchased the ownership of the LLC taxed as a C corp)then the NOL would stay with the newly-acquired LLC. The LLC would carry on as before, with no need for short years.

If this was an asset sale(the client purchased the assets of the LLC taxed as a C corp from the LLC, but did not purchase the ownership of the LLC)then your client does not get the NOLs. They stay with the old entity.

Dacowles16 (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
There was no stock to speak of just assets (10 residential real estate properties at a cost basis of $305,017, private mortgages payable of $429,500 and retained earnings deficit of $87,232.

Pegoo (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
2 Levels here.

Assets sold to LLC may trigger gain / loss for the Corp. Essentially your client did not buy the corp but the assets of the corp. Talk with the Corp's accountant and clear things out. You 2 are not on the same page :P

Dacowles16 (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
I spoke with my client's (the purchaser of the C corporation LLC) attorney and he said the sale was treated as a stock sale and not an asset sale as if it was an assets sale transfer tax would have had to be paid on each of the real estate assets.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
I hope the attorney also told his client that there would be no step-up in/allocation to cost for depreciation on all those assets. In some cases the "transfer tax" would have been pennies compared with getting to depreciate those assets over again and saving dollars.

That's what happens when attorneys give tax advice. Be sure to point that out to your client.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
OK, Dave, then everything I said above applies.

I've been trying to think about what the FMV of the corporation was at the date of acquisition (for purposes of calculating the IRC Sec. 382 limitation on utilization of the NOLs). Surely it would be the FMV of all of the properties, minus the liabilities. If the seller was willing to unload these properties for, in effect, the mortgage balance, their FMV can't be much more than the amount of liabilities assumed. In that case the FMV of the corporation may be zero, or the $1 your client paid, and while the NOLs technically come along, they will never be usable.

If that's the case, there may not be all that much gain inherent in the real estate, the NOLs have no real value anyway, and electing to have the entity disregarded going forward may be the best thing to do, especially if your client intends to hold these properties for the long term.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
So buyer will not get to deduct liabilities when paid, but is still stuck with remaining depreciation over the next several years for all assets purchased. Doesn't sound like a great deal, to me. Sounds like the short end of the stick.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

July 2, 2007
$1 was too much.

Dacowles16 (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
I have similar issues in 2 more S Corporation LLC's purchased by by client (SMLLC) which I understand the difference of the S Corporation, however, my research reveals that the IRC Sec. 338 election (to trreat a stock purchase as an asset purchase) must be made before the 15th day of the ninth month following the date of sale (1/15/07) and I was not made aware of the sales agreement until February of this year.

My concern is the S corporation LLC purchased by my client for $1 for 27 real estate properties with a cost basis of $871,000 and mortgages payable (private finance and banks) for $1,200,000. The problem here is 8 of the properties were sold after the purchase date of 3/1/05 and before 12/31/05 and the gains could total as much as $100,000 or more. My client saw little cash as a result of these sales since the private mortgages exceeded the asset cost in all cases.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

2 July 2007
Oy, vay. Who has been advising this client? Obviously not you, since you never find out about these deals until long afterward. Tell him to fire them. (Maybe he has to fire himself <G>.)

The S corp sold the properties, the gain is the difference between the sale price and the inside basis, and as far as I can see your client is hosed. You may have depreciation recapture to deal with too.

Maybe others will have some more creative ideas.

Dacowles16 (talk|edits) said:

3 July 2007
I have another complication, if you can believe it, and that is 10 of the properties had conventional mortgages on them with the loan personally guaranteed by the seller of the LLC (S Corp). All of these properties were foreclosed on by the banks and sold at sheriff's sales. Does my client, who purchased the S Corp holding these properties have debt forgiveness income for the difference between the loan amount and the sheriff's sale price. In all cases the properties were sold for less than the mortgage balance and accrued interest.

Is there any relief for this situation or the fact that several other properties which had debt exceeding cost basis were sold at gains over $100,000?

Corptaxhelp (talk|edits) said:

July 3, 2007
Wow. I mean, really, wow.

I was wondering if anyone advised the buyer that it isn't uncommon -- even when the entire corporation is purchased -- that all the loans/mortgages may be called. In fact, it isn't uncommon in closely-held corporations for a loan to be called when the majority owner changes. Did the buyer check the mortgage documents before the sale? Many times there are stiff pre-payment penalties as well. It also looks as though, there may be some fraud taking place if the mortgage was still in someone else's name while the title was transferred. (Note to seller: I bet you wish had paid the small premium and bought non-recourse loans.)

As others have noted, it is long past the time to get someone involved who knows something about real estate, taxes, financing and how they all play together inside a corporation. For a couple thousand dollars worth of advice, your client could have kept himself out of this mess. If you want to hit this one out of the park, Dacowles16, find such an expert and help your client to mitigate the damages. You sound like a sharp CPA but if this is not your area of expertise, you really need to bring in a designated hitter.

KatieJ (talk|edits) said:

3 July 2007
Chiming in to agree with Corptax. Bring in the cavalry ASAP.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

3 July 2007
we are but mere dragoons

Dacowles16 (talk|edits) said:

10 July 2007
The title was not transferred in the properties with mortgages. The only change was the shareholder, which was the seller and now is the purchaser (my client). The sale agreement stated "the seller will remain personally liable for all properties morgtgaged with a bank"(He personally guaranteed each of the loans). The accountant for the seller states that the NOL carryforwards stay with the C Corporation by the way and he agrees that we have large gains on properties sold with low basis and debt exceeding the asset basis. I am still unclear on the 8 properties that were taken in bankruptcy for the former owner (seller of the company) as it appears that my client will get a 1099 for debt forgiveness for the difference of the price at sherrif's sale and the debt outstanding with the bank.

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