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| 7 April 2008 | |
| Smart Money's take on tax preparers.... as posted on MSN. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/10ThingsYourTaxProWontTellYou.aspx What about 10 things your friendly journalist won't tell you, like how easy it is to manufacture a hatchet piece? "Give us a topical piece Moe." "Sure, boss."
Why bother coming on here, investing in research and education, when we are just a bunch of cheats and incompetents? Give me a break. | |
PHIL MOODY (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| I have been told more than once, that all it takes to be a taxpreparer is a number 2 pencil.
And you know.........., that is the truth. | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| In 1998, it was the IRS that was the problem. Now, they've decided we are the problem. Anyone but Congress will do. And yet, where does the real problem come from? Just one example, the dependency exemption definition changes of 2005, IRC 152. Just ridiculously complex for what should be a straightforward determination. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| This is the quote that got me: "Roughly 135 million Americans file tax returns, and of those, two-thirds pay for help. Though solo acts like CPAs and so-called enrolled agents have plenty of clients," The emphasis is mine; reading articles like this makes me think it's time to go to the dark side. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| And, did anyone notice the prominent Turbo Tax ad where this article is displayed on MSN.com? All of us who use Lacerte and Proseries should question our providers bona fides. Am I using the right word, Crow? Youda lawyer! | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| I saw that about the "so-called enrolled agents", what does that mean?
The bone fides they probably have, in the sense that you get what you pay for. The loyalty is zero, and one can only hope they hang themselves. For instance, is not this whole site an aide to the do-it-yourselfer? "Do your corporate return, any questions, check TaxAlmanac." They are eating our lunch, of course. I often feel like the Catholic priest that must pass along teaching over which he has no control. We translate it, put the numbers to it, and then WE get kicked in the teeth. | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| Anyone here from Iowa? It would be interesting to ask Grassley(via email) if he prepares his own taxes, and if not, who does it. I bet not! Someone from Iowa using a local address would have a better chance of getting a response. | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| By the way, you guys have probably seen this many times... but I did several Coca Cola co. employee returns. There, right at the bottom of the W-2 is an advertisement for TurboTax! HEHE, it's almost ridiculous. There is no way in h*ll you can compete with that kind of placement. The first client that called me from Coke had, you guessed it, began his return on Turbo Tax and got stumped. What you wanna bet he won't get stumped next year? | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| "For one W-2, mortgage interest and a couple of kids, TurboTax is just fine," says Kerry Kerstetter, an Arkansas CPA," just had me in stitches because of this:
I just got stopped on the street by a neighbor. He does his return in TurboTax. His question was, "Can I claim my son who is in college who had a job last year? He made $X,XXX amount." I laughed and told him yes he could, based on the other factors he shared with me. He said he might have me do them next year as it's getting too complex for him. Gotta love it. Tom | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| I fear going to the post office to get the mail, lest some neighbor ask "can my daughter get the rebate; she hasn't filed in four year?" I should tell these people can call Kerry. | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| Those journalists got nothing else to write but to generalize some other profession with vague statistics. | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| I, for one, liked the intent of the Article - to expose the Tax Prep Biz as beset with low quality, no standards, seasonal people.
It does state that CPAs are educated, tested, licensed, etc. And largely unavailable in Tax Season - how many new clients would you take on in March? | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| Keep in mind that those with the "simplest" returns are the ones that most need the mass market preparers. They frankly can't even use TurboTax, or any computer service: the intelligence and computer literacy are just not there. If Joe Blow needs the mass market preparers, then you better bet the Fed's need them too. Think about it. That's the hold-up in licencing in a nutshell. | |
| April 7, 2008 | |
| I've taken on new clients in the past WEEK! C'mon, folks, catch up, be efficient... | |
IDrinkYourMilkshake (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| So now, any new clients I take on in March will assume I'm a hack? | |
| April 7, 2008 | |
| No. Efficient. Frankly, there is little to no excuse for massive extensions. If you're that busy, seriously...raise your fees. Or hire some help if you'd rather go that way. Our clients expect US to be the organized ones. Don't disappoint them. Wait, I get a lot of clients from you folks who don't keep up tho'. So....in the famous words of Emily Litella, NEVER MIND!!!!!! | |
IDrinkYourMilkshake (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| Agreed JR1. Also, I've met and worked with many CPA's who do not know taxes for squat (auditors). | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| Snowbird,
I doubt Grassley prepares his own return. But I have one surefire way to simplify the tax code: Get a law passed that requires all Congresspersons to prepare their own returns by hand with just the IRS publications as their references. We will have simplification shortly thereafter. Tom | |
Southparkcpa (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| I agree with WPCPA, this profession is LOADED with BOOBS, we all know that. If you are on this site, you are most likely in the top 10 percent because you have an interest in the profession are curious about laws etc.... I know MANY CPA's that would never go to this site on a weekend. But let's not kid ourselves, this professions barrier to entry is NONE. Many professions suffer from this. Go see the movie "BOILER ROOM". That stuff goes on too. | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| How can you have a situation like this? "The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." -- Albert Einstein ... AND yet no barrier to entry? But it's true, there is no barrier to entry. Just as I said above, it almost has to be this way to get the returns in; it's all about numbers, not accuracy. The problems are built into the system. You have to have enough hands on deck to get all the returns in, and then, poof, the business disappears till next year, really.
When I first got out of law school, I taught Economics and Business Law part-time at a Junior College for about 10 years (admittedly,it's not Harvard, ok). In Business Law, we would start with the basics, and go all the way through Securities Law, which has a reputation for complexity. I can tell you without any doubt that Securities Law is a walk in the park compared to tax law. Not even close. P.S. Ok, Einstein might have been exaggerating, BUT he did say it! In addition, instead of requiring a test as Grassley has proposed, they need to require an apprenticeship (even for lawyers; hold on, especially for lawyers.lol.) | |
| April 7, 2008 | |
| Well, ahem, if lawyers actually filed their taxes, it would help in the learning process. Ahem. Sorry, furball in throat there. . .but yes, I agree, the only thing that makes sense is apprenticeship. Tests are NOT enough. School is irrelevant. Experience from experienced tax pros makes all the difference. I was fortunate due to my split personality to have been in sales setting up small biz's for 10 years, working with dozens of different accountants in setting up those clients and talking about taxes. That's where I learned, and I couldn't trade that experience for anything. Now I still don't know the first rules about Head of Household (a house is involved..and someone has to live there, right?) and can't explain the difference between an ISO and an RSU.... | |
IDrinkYourMilkshake (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| JR1, agreed, actual experience is key. | |
Southparkcpa (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| There is no one answer, I have had at least 3 CPA's in my office in the last 10 years that weren't worth a postage stamp. They had plenty of experience , passed exams, so clearly exams aren't always the answer.
Experience can be like golf, same swing for 30 years, same result and the player thiks he's OK. | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| Reminds me of the old joke:
Q: What do they call the guy who graduates last in his class at medical school? A: Doctor. Experience is key, no question. Long-time friend of mine is a CPA and head of a Fortune 500 accounting department. She knows SEC stuff inside out, but not tax. Another friend of mine knows personal tax inside out, but can't tell you about non-profits. I found it amusing recently a client's ex-boyfriend is preparing returns. He's dumber than a box of Cheerios. He has no qualifications whatsoever. He just started doing it for fun one day and does a bunch of friend's returns. MD is now trying to enact a law to license tax preparers. We will see what happens. Tom | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 7 April 2008 |
| That's laying it on thik, JD | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| I just took on a new one today...referral, and I said 'well can you come in at 2 this afternoon?' They said we'll manage it, and I said there is not guarantee this will not go on extension. And they said ok. I don't actually have alot of appointments right now; either the stuff is in the pile, or its not. And the stuff that's in the pile right now is most likely going on extension and they all know it. | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| There definitely needs to be some types of qualifications and regulations to be a "tax preparer", not just being a data entry clerk. | |
| 27 April 2008 | |
| Does anyone know of a sample certification test out there we can have a look at and I will tell you the percentage of preparers whom I know that would pass it.
Taffe | |
| 27 April 2008 | |
| Taffe, Ho da u no ewe wil pazz da test? R u a teacher? Wat scul? | |
| April 28, 2008 | |
| Enough of the cop crap. If you don't want to answer, then just leave it be. | |
| 28 April 2008 | |
| A total of 8,054 candidates tested between October 5th and December 2nd 2006. Part 1 had a total of 3,068 candidates, Part 2 had 2,899 and Part 3 had 2,087 candidates.
Below is a summary of the percentage of candidates passing each of the examinations.
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| 28 April 2008 | |
| My source http://irsexams.com/board/blog/irs_exam/index.php?showentry=19 | |
| 28 April 2008 | |
| The biggest problem is separating out good from bad and that is very hard to do...I am not a CPA however I have been in accounting for fortune 500 for over 16 years...we made sure that book entries are correct and double checked our work...this was my first year of doing corporate tax return and I found so many of my clients are totally lost and do not know if their CPA is charging 'em too much or not enough for the quality of advice...I did 2 tax returns that had previous year tax return so messed up that I could not believe that it was done by a CPA...it is not if you are a CPA or not the key is "Do you care enough to research and do the right thing"...my experience so far has been that CPA/Tax professionals have too much to do and they are not paying that much attention to each and every client...NOW that is true for small percentage of these professionals but it gives bad name to our profession...I spent more than double the time I charged on each tax return to make sure I did it correctly..obviously, when I have over 100 tax returns to do I will not have that much time for each client but the issue is if you spend time and learn it properly to begin with you will be very conciencious about your work and you will provide quality work...all of my clients are very happy with my work and I am not saying that to show that I am doing good, but to show that I care and I will put extra effort to get it done correctly... | |
| April 28, 2008 | |
| I explain to my clients that choosing a tax preparer or CPA is like choosing a doctor -- they need to feel comfortable with the person and do some research, e.g., ask for references, check to make sure the person is licensed, etc. | |
| April 29, 2008 | |
| Cool?!?!?!?
Natalie, I'd be afraid...very afraid. :-) But I do agree with you also. It has to be a comfortable fit, and not everyone works well together. I have a couple of clients who drive me nuts (are on the CTOBET list), but there's nothing inheritently wrong with them. We just don't 'mesh'. | |
| April 29, 2008 | |
| Oh, dear. Some people may be worried about too much tequila. Perhaps I've had too many discussions with Fred. . . | |
| 30 April 2008 | |
| There are never too many discussions with Fred. As you come to find, the more we chat, the more we "mesh" lol | |
| 30 April 2008 | |
| And instead of Tequila. For the next week, the drug of choice shall be LSD, in honor of the inventor of LSD, who passed away at the ripe old age of 102. His memorium said what long strange tripping it had been. | |
| 1 May 2008 | |
| That does put a new spin on the dangers of LSD...102 years he made it. | |


