Discussion:1099-Q beneficiary change who's income?
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| 24 February 2008 | |
| Client has a Qualified Tuition Program in her name with her social security number on the 1099-Q. Daughter is at college for which a withdraw from the QTP of 3,000 (box 1)was made with earnings of 1,135.98 (box 2). Box 6 is also checked indicating that the recipient is not the designated beneficiary; this was for the daughter, which is allowed.
Daughters 1099T states qualified Tuition was $9,800.00 (box2). She received a Scholarship of 8,596.00 (box 5) with At least 1/2 time student. Oh yes, this is her freshman year. Per Pub 970, Section 8 (page 50) on qualified tuition program, the calcs go something like Qualified Tuition 9,800.00 less Tuition 8,596.00 = 1,204. Less Hope Credit taken of 1,204.00 = 0 AQEE. So 0 / 3000(distribution) x 1,135.98 (earnings) = 0 Tax free earnings. So, 1,135.98 must be included in Taxable Earnings. Now the question, who's earnings is it? Is it the Clients or is it the Daughter who must report this as earnings? Since the daughter had no earnings, she would have no tax. But I suspect that the earnings are that of the client. | |
| 24 February 2008 | |
| Hi
I have the same type of situation. My client took out a couple of hundred more that the tuition. My feeling is that the parent has control over the 529 account. My client social is also on the account with box 6 checked. I have no problem assigning the earnings to the parent. But here is my question-What happens is there is no earnings to be shown on line 21 of the 1040? It doesn't seem possible that the 1099-Q is issued and then we just ignore it. I don't know of a tax form where we reconcile how the money was used. | |
| 24 February 2008 | |
| It is the Daughter.
Page 50 on left side taxable earnings #2: "this is the amount the Beneficiary Must include in income" (reported on Line 21 1040 other income). So it appears this the daughters income and since the daughter has no other income, I assume she need not file a return. Or does she since "unearned income" is over $250? or is it considered "unearned"? | |
| 24 February 2008 | |
| Walnut 123, You have to do the calculation to determine the taxable earnings to report. You need the 1099q and the 1099T to make this caclulation. The theory is, if you use for non-qualified expenses, you must report the ratio of earnings as taxable. | |
| 24 February 2008 | |
| Also Walnut 123, I disagree with it is the parent's income. Based on what I read, it is the beneficiary. Box 6 is checked so the parent or the person on the 1099q is not the beneficiary. | |
| 24 February 2008 | |
| Interesting, had to use some 6th grade algebra. Since the daughter can be claimed, see can have up to $850 of income before anything is taxable. So, 1136-286 = 850. 1136 x x/3000 = 286. So X = 755. 1204-755=449. So 449 is the amount of education credit the parents can take, so that the daughter has no taxable income and does not have to file. In acuality, I'm amending a 2006 return and don't want the failure to file penalty for the daughter.
Thanks for your help. I think this example would make a great commercial to counter turbo-tax's "It's so easy". | |
| 24 February 2008 | |
| I stand corrected. I re-read page 50. I does say that Sara must include it as income. I'm just confused that there is no tax document connecting the income we might report on line 21 to the beneficiary.
thank you | |
| 4 April 2008 | |
| I interpret the Example on Page 50 to say that the 1099-Q was in Sara, the daughter's social. If it is in the parent's social, then any taxable distribution would go on their return. | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 4 April 2008 |
| Who got the check? | |
| 7 April 2008 | |
| I am in a similar situation (personal, rather than client) and TurboTax is of no help. According to the state, one only needs to declare the 1099-Q if one doesn't use the proceeds to pay qualified educational expenses. Thus, according to this logic, it would not be reported on either my 1040, nor my son's. However, I am uneasy about this becoming an "obvious" flag for IRS if it is not reported . . . but there certainly appears to be no place to report that the funds were properly expended. | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| There is nothing to report if funds were used for qual education expenses. | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| Also, aren't there are more qualified expenses for 1099Q distributions than for tuition credits? I noticed some of the above posts only used the 1098T expenses. I thought QTP's allowed more expenses such as books, etc. | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| Wwtaxes: yes, QTP (or QEE; qualified education expenses) includes Some other expenses such as books and may not be included in the 1098T. Make sure client kept the receipts though (most of the time they don't). My case was the books were included in the scholarship. QEE does not include living expenses.
"There is nothing to report if funds were used for qual education expenses. " Correct, however if you plan on taking an education credit for the parents(a better deduction), you have to subtract that from the QEE, which means the recipient is more likely to have income from the 1099Q. Follow the allocation formula in Pub 970. This would be unearned income with a lower threshold filing requirement. "If it is in the parent's social, then any taxable distribution would go on their return. " I think clearly the rules state it is the beneficiary's income not the person who has the SS number. The tracking here is the box check "recipient is not the designated beneficiary". I do find it odd that the 1099q does not put the Recipient SS number. But, I would bet the IRS supercomputer cross-references the dependents ss number. One more thing to note, be careful of the scholarship number. It may include living expenses which are taxable to the recipient. | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| From Pub 970:
Qualified education expenses. These expenses are the amounts paid for tuition, fees, books, supplies, and equipment required for enrollment or attendance at an eligible educational institution (defined in the next column). They also include the reasonable costs of room and board for a designated beneficiary who is at least a half-time student. The cost of room and board qualifies only to the extent that it is not more than the greater of the following two amounts. 1. The allowance for room and board, as determined by the eligible educational institution, that was included in the cost of attendance (for federal financial aid purposes) for a particular academic period and living arrangement of the student. 2. The actual amount charged if the student is residing in housing owned or operated by the eligible educational institution. You will need to contact the eligible educational institution for qualified room and board costs. The definition of qualified education expenses was expanded in 2002 to include expenses of a special needs beneficiary that are necessary for that person's enrollment or attendance at an eligible educational institution. | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| Sorry, I don't see that in Pub 970? What page/Part is that on?
I do see: Qualified education expenses. For purposes of tax-free scholarships and fellowships, these are expenses for: Tuition and fees required to enroll at or attend an eligible educational institution, and Course-related expenses, such as fees, books, supplies, and equipment that are required for the courses at the eligible educational institution. These items must be required of all students in your course of instruction. However, in order for these to be qualified education expenses, the terms of the scholarship or fellowship cannot require that it be used for other purposes, such as room and board, or specify that it cannot be used for tuition or course-related expenses. Expenses that do not qualify. Qualified education expenses do not include the cost of: Room and board, Travel, Research, Clerical help, or Equipment and other expenses that are not required for enrollment in or attendance at an eligible educational institution. This is true even if the fee must be paid to the institution as a condition of enrollment or attendance. Scholarship or fellowship amounts used to pay these costs are taxable. | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch08.html#d0e9822
Please understand that I am merely suggesting you look into it. My client's distributions were far less than his tuition, so I've not had to do this. However, I recalled that I had seen mention of it somewhere. Since all other input above ignores it, I am probably overlooking something. However, if not, you might not actually have taxable income. | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| Could you possibly be looking at the QEE for one of the tuition credits instead of for the QTP? | |
| 8 April 2008 | |
| Ah, you are looking at "tax-free and taxable parts of your scholarship or fellowship", which you would probably have to figure out if they have a scholarship, but it is not the same as the QEE for a QTP distribution which is in Chapter 8. You may still need to do the first calc, but you very well may have more expenses than you have considered. | |


