Discussion:1031 Exchange Question
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HannaClare (talk|edits) said: | 7 December 2005 |
| Client sold Bldg. 1, used in business, with a basis of $750,000 and came away with $100,000. The basis can be increased by the sales commission, and I think repairs he made just before the sale. He then bought Bldg. 2 for $800,000. Can the basis on Bldg. 1 be increased by the repairs and can he include the points paid on building 2? His concern is he will have to declare income on about about of the $100,000. Thank you. | |
| 8 December 2005 | |
| If he actually cashed out $100,000 out of the exchange, he will recognize tax to the extent of boot received. If, however there was $100,000 unrecognized gain from the exchange, which was used to pay closing costs, including points, and repairs on building 2, the gain can be reduced by those costs. The net of these costs would be the amount of undeferred gain. | |
| 30 December 2005 | |
| I question your wording. First, you speak more in terms of a sale of one property and the subsequent purchase of a new property; were all of the requirements of a 1031 exchange met?
Secondly, if a client were to tell me they "came away with $100,000", they usually are realizing that amount after the mortgage has been paid off, which is not a reflection of gain/loss. | |
| 31 December 2005 | |
| Assuming that there were no loan assumptions on either end of the transaction, he actually gave boot in the amount of $50,000 plus exchange expenses. No gain would be recognized. | |
| 4 January 2006 | |
| A 1031 exchange does not take place when you sell and buy preperties unless one uses a third party 1031 exchange professional and meets all requirements as DH notes. The sale of bdlg one stands alone without any purchase costs of bdlg 2. There is no "boot" or "assumption of loan" because there is no 1031 exchange. I believe you are out of luck. I dont agree with riley or vwertgen above at all they are correct only if you have an exchange which you dont. | |
| 4 January 2006 | |
| This is a "1031 Exchange Question" I agree with Vwetgen and Riley. | |
| 4 January 2006 | |
| Sorry, I misread the original question. The boot received would be the difference between the fair market values of the properties, reduced by any exchange expenses. Since I don't know what the fmv of the old property is, it would be impossible to answer your question. | |
| 4 January 2006 | |
| one cannot have a 1031 exchange if you have sold and bot properties on your own without a proper intermediary. this is what our questions facts state. just because it is labeled a 1031 exchange question doesnt mean we actually have one. I stand by my answer. I think everyone needs to clarify the facts. DH where are you? | |
Jaybird9640 (talk|edits) said: | 4 January 2006 |
| Wow! Let's assume there was a qualified intermediary used. If so, no problem. If not - the taxpayer does not have a §1031. Also let's assume the holding period requirement is met and that the exchangor (relinquishor) who let go of the first property was also the recipient of the new property. If so, no problem. If not, your taxpayer has no §1031.
If the §1031 rules are met, the unrecognized gain is what the old property would be if sold for the price it was sold at in the escrow on the first leg. If the taxpayer actually took cash out and/or decreased his debt on the old property by taking a lower loan on the new. He has boot to the extent of those amounts. If the boot is more than the unrealized gain - he or she must recognize the total unrealized gain. (Exchnage blown for bad planning) If the boot is less that the unrealized gain, he or she must recognize the amount of the boot as taxable gain. Reduced by exchnage expenses. | |
| 5 January 2006 | |
| WesR is right. Pub 544 makes this abundantly clear. The seller got cash in his hand and thus is a sale with reportable gain - unless of course he assigned his rights to a qualified intermediary. | |
| 6 January 2006 | |
| I may be assuming too much when I assumed that the original post involved a non-simultaneous exchange using one of the safe-harbor methods. However, for purposes of this discussion, I will give the original poster the benefit of the doubt that he would not stray from the safe-harbor rules.
I don’t think that you can automatically assume that someone walking away from an exchange with cash is automatically receiving boot. The regulations clearly provide that a taxpayer receiving cash from the other party to the exchange would have to recognize cash boot to the extent that the amount received exceeds the cash boot given. However, cash received for any other reason (e.g. financing activities) would not be boot. Example, John Smith exchanges Blackacre with a fair market value of $1 million and no encumbrances for Whiteacre with a fair market value of $2 million and no encumbrances. At the time of the exchange, Smith borrows $2 million from the bank to close the deal. Obviously, Smith will receive a $1 million check from the escrow company when the escrow closes; however, he has actually given cash boot of $1 million dollars and qualifying like-kind property of $1 million to the owner of Whiteacre. In this example, Smith is actually giving $1 million in cash boot to the owner of Whiteacre; however, Smith is also walking away from the escrow with $1 million in cash. Smith would not recognize gain in this case since the sole reason for the $1 million check is the brand new financing (not the exchange). Some practitioners recommend waiting until a few days after the exchange to borrow the $2 million, thereby eliminating any question about the source of the cash; however, I personally see no reason to wait until 3 days after the exchange to borrow the $2 million. Furthermore, there is nothing in the regs that provides that the debt on the new property must be equal to the debt on the old property. Instead, the regs provide that in a situation involving mutual assumptions of debt, a net decrease in liabilities will create mortgage boot. Loan assumptions are so rare these days (because of due-on-sale clauses) that the mutual assumption regulations are almost never used. The mutual debt assumption rules do not apply when the old debt is paid off in escrow and the debt on the property acquired is not assumed from another party to the exchange (e.g. brand new financing). | |
Kaykayneil (talk|edits) said: | 30 March 2006 |
| In this trade of rental property to rental property, how does
the one trading (and getting a new rental) determine the basis to start depreciating?? KayKay | |
| 15 September 2006 | |
| duplicate question removed - click edits next to Hansgill's name to see other discussion(s) where this was asked/responded to. | |
| 20 February 2007 | |
| duplicate question removed - click edits next to Klionerg's name to see other discussion(s) where this was asked/responded to. | |
| 20 February 2007 | |
| The government did extend the time for Katrina victims. Other than that instance, I don't think they've ever caved on the 180 day rule (it is NOT 6 months). | |
| 3 April 2008 | |
| If the mutual debt assumption rule does not apply, then new financing on replacement property can be less than debt on relinquished property and still qualify as 1031 exchange? | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 3 April 2008 |
| Note a "a qualified intermediary" is not required for a like exchange, a qualified intermediary is required for a delayed exchange.
The buyer could provide the seller with exchange property at the time of closing. Note in my way of thinking the most common like-kind exchange is trading one vehicle for another. Any cash the seller touches is taxed to up to the gain, no exceptions, and no extensions. Starker anyone? | |
| 4 April 2008 | |
| RoyDaleOne...I am glad you brought up that point. A colleague of mine is wondering if his clients never recieved the sale proceeds from the sale of their original property and immediately used it to buy another property if it would qualify for a 1031 exchange. I fail to see the "exchange" aspect of this fact pattern, but would certainly like more input. Is a qualified intermediary necessary in this fact pattern? | |
RoyDaleOne (talk|edits) said: | 4 April 2008 |
| If, I remember correctly to qualify as a Simultaneous Exchange, both the relinquished property and the replacement property must close and record on the same day. (This is the old rule - it has not been tested under the new rules that I recall). | |
| 16 April 2008 | |
| How long must the owner hold the new property after an exchange before sale? Is there any time requirement? | |
Debwatsoncpa (talk|edits) said: | 6 October 2008 |
| Just wondering if anyone would answer the above question?
Are there any holding periods in a deferrred exchange to exchange again?????? Client will complete exchange on vacant land 10-06-08. Already had an inquiry to resell at higher price?? Can client do another 1031?? | |
| 6 October 2008 | |
| Deb, there's a good discussion of that question here: 1031 holding period.
Also be sure to see Rev. Proc. 2008-16, even though it's about dwellings, not vacant land - it's interesting input to the parameters that would help show intent to hold. | |


